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A question for a car mechanic..

I recently took my car in for a check as it made a funny sound when it was running. I am no mechanic but I thought it sounded similar to a belt being loose. I've been hearing this sound for about a year and took it in to the same dealer about 7 months prior to have it checked out. The Mechanic told me he would have a look at it and ended up changing some belts and a "spanner" (I have know idea what that is). It didn't totally stop the noise but it was not as loud.

Now I have received the bill for the latest visit and I see he has again charged me for a some new belts, a 'rolle" and another "spanner".

So my questions are:

1. How many belts does a car have?? I have been charged for 8 belt changes in the last 3 years. Is that considered normal?? My car is 7 years old.

2. What is a spanner and would it have to be replaced after a rolle is changed? The spanner that was changed was only 7 months old.

I have no idea about cars and would be extremely grateful if someone could explain it to me in English .
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Old 21.10.2012, 17:12
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Re: A question for a car mechanic..

well what car is it? how many km etc

A car has 1 belt (sometimes 2) which are located on the front or side of the engine. They spin all the pullies. (what you see moving on the engine)

A spanner is what holds the tention on this belt.
A belt should last 50 ish k km or more so yes you are being ripped a good one. The tentioner should rarely if at all be replaced in the lifespan of a vehicle

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well what car is it? how many km etc

A car has 1 belt (sometimes 2) which are located on the front or side of the engine. They spin all the pullies. (what you see moving on the engine)

A spanner is what holds the tention on this belt.
A belt should last 50 ish k miles or more so yes you are being ripped a good one. The tentioner should rarely if at all be replaced in the lifespan of a vehicle
A garage will tend to change the Tensioners & rollers, just one of those things about going to a garage, let alone a main dealer with an older car.
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Re: A question for a car mechanic..

This is the first time i hear about the tentioner being changed as "maintenance".....belts yes when big service is due.
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This is the first time I hear about the tentioner being changed as "maintenance".....belts yes when big service is due.
Now it's the second time you heard this: a tensioner costs about CHF 50 and a water pump maybe CHF 80. It is a good idea to change both with the timing belt at 80'000 Km. However the garage is ripping him off! He might be using the wrong engine oil and he can hear the tappet noises.

Is the car a FIAT?
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Re: A question for a car mechanic..

With my Ducatis, belts get changed every two years/20k km (whichever comes first, though I live on the edge and do 3-4 year, or 20k km ), tensioners every 50k or so. (unless I feel wear, then sooner)

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Re: A question for a car mechanic..

With today's toys for creature comfort a car may have more than two belts.
Spanners wear out if they're too tightly tensioned.
Belts wear quickly out if the corresponding pulleys are not properly aligned.

Have you ever asked the guys why they replace the belts at this rate? And what belts? There are belts for the cams, generator, waterpump, hydraulic pump (power steering), air conditioner's compressor ...

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Is the car a FIAT?
Belts in Fiats last at least 100k km., what's your problem?

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well what car is it? how many km etc

A car has 1 belt (sometimes 2) which are located on the front or side of the engine. They spin all the pullies. (what you see moving on the engine)

A spanner is what holds the tension on this belt.
A belt should last 50 ish k km or more so yes you are being ripped a good one. The tentioner should rarely if at all be replaced in the lifespan of a vehicle
It is a Toyota Avensis Verso, 130,000 km.

I have been going to this Dealer ever since I moved here and I have not had any major problems with the car. I thought if I ever wanted to sell it again, it's better if the service is done by the dealer.

The history is as follows

Two belts (Keilrippenriemen) in 3.2009 (76,000 km)

1. 2011, with 108,000 km he changed the exact two belts (I know as the ersatzteile number is the same).

116,000km, 2 Keilriemen and the spanner (the spanner cost 363.90ch for just the part)

130,000km he changed 2 Keilriemen, a spanner and a rolle (the rolle part cost 414 ch and again the spanner cost 363.90).

I have tried to speak to him but since I have no idea about cars, and my vocab for car parts in German is rather limited, I can only respond to what he is saying with an 'oh'.
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It is a Toyota Avensis Verso, 130,000 km.

I have been going to this Dealer ever since I moved here and I have not had any major problems with the car. I thought if I ever wanted to sell it again, it's better if the service is done by the dealer.

The history is as follows

Two belts (Keilrippenriemen) in 3.2009 (76,000 km)

1. 2011, with 108,000 km he changed the exact two belts (I know as the ersatzteile number is the same).

116,000km, 2 Keilriemen and the spanner (the spanner cost 363.90ch for just the part)

130,000km he changed 2 Keilriemen, a spanner and a rolle (the rolle part cost 414 ch and again the spanner cost 363.90).

I have tried to speak to him but since I have no idea about cars, and my vocab for car parts in German is rather limited, I can only respond to what he is saying with an 'oh'.
Once a car has 130k on it, it's worth very little, don't waste money on main dealers. They have a huge stock of parts they want to sell........

I would ask for a refund, he has already changed the same parts without fixing the problem.
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Re: A question for a car mechanic..

OK, does it make a whining squealing noise and especially when firing up the engine and/or when it is damp outside?

Most likely (I say most likely as it surely sounds like this is the what need to be done) you just need to tighten the leaver that holds the tensions the belt by loosing a bolt, push it backwards a few cm's and tighten the bolt again. It doesn't need to be changed very often as also said before. In many cases this is a DIY job and takes less than 2 min...
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Re: A question for a car mechanic..

300+ for a tentioner ????and 400+ for the roller.

YOu are really being ripped off even for dealer standards....
Thats why you should ALWAYS know a little about cars or have a friend come with that knows.....
Just for your piece of mind total parts cost is about 150$ and installation is under 5 min
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OK, does it make a whining squealing noise and especially when firing up the engine and/or when it is damp outside?

Most likely (I say most likely as it surely sounds like this is the what need to be done) you just need to tighten the leaver that holds the tensions the belt by loosing a bolt, push it backwards a few cm's and tighten the bolt again. It doesn't need to be changed very often as also said before. In many cases this is a DIY job and takes less than 2 min...
I am sorry, I didnt explain the situation very well.

The car is now fixed since this last visit (when he changed some belts, spanner,and rolle).
I had taken the car in about 7 months ago (15,000 km ago) with the same issue and he changed the belts and the spanner but it didnt fix the problem.

Now with the latest bill I wanted to ask him why the spanner needed to be changed again since it was just changed 15,000 kms ago but from the sounds of it, it looks like you change both the rolle and spanner at the same time, so I guess I cannot fight it. However, I will be looking for a new mechanic.

And yes it did make noise especially when damp out!
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300+ for a tentioner ????and 400+ for the roller.

YOu are really being ripped off even for dealer standards....
Thats why you should ALWAYS know a little about cars or have a friend come with that knows.....
Just for your piece of mind total parts cost is about 150$ and installation is under 5 min
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I am sorry, I didnt explain the situation very well.

The car is now fixed since this last visit (when he changed some belts, spanner,and rolle).
I had taken the car in about 7 months ago (15,000 km ago) with the same issue and he changed the belts and the spanner but it didnt fix the problem.

Now with the latest bill I wanted to ask him why the spanner needed to be changed again since it was just changed 15,000 kms ago but from the sounds of it, it looks like you change both the rolle and spanner at the same time, so I guess I cannot fight it. However, I will be looking for a new mechanic.

And yes it did make noise especially when damp out!
Sounds like it was loose, did not need changing at all. Avoid main dealers with an older car!
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I am sorry, I didnt explain the situation very well.

The car is now fixed since this last visit (when he changed some belts, spanner,and rolle).
I had taken the car in about 7 months ago (15,000 km ago) with the same issue and he changed the belts and the spanner but it didnt fix the problem.

Now with the latest bill I wanted to ask him why the spanner needed to be changed again since it was just changed 15,000 kms ago but from the sounds of it, it looks like you change both the rolle and spanner at the same time, so I guess I cannot fight it. However, I will be looking for a new mechanic.

And yes it did make noise especially when damp out!
Jap spares are not cheap
Sounds like the first time the tensioner was not really changed. Probably the ball bearing inside the tensioner pully was worn or the tensioner spring was tired. In my experience when the bill is unclear I usually ask to see the old component that has been changed.

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Belts in Fiats last at least 100k km., what's your problem?

Tom
A German FIAT garage told me that FIAT are now recommending replacing the timing belt at 80'000 Km in Alpine areas, he muttered something about the colder winters. That is why I ask. I half own a small 12 year old 1.2 liter Fiat Punto, it has only 118'000 Km, but it is an excellent little car. I have no problem, why do you ask?
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