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Old 07.12.2007, 23:54
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Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

I don't have a car, the public transport in my little corner of AG is good enough that I don't need one.

When I do need a car I usually either use one of our departmental pool cars, a small rental company in Baden or Mobility.

One thing I notice in all three cases where the car has been driven by a Swiss previously is that the car is never parked with the handbrake on. Instead it is left in first gear with the handbrake off. This can be a bit strange until you get used to it and start the car with the clutch in (OK you should do that anyway I know)

Is this something that the Swiss are taught? it seems pretty well universal here.
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

I had to do a kontrollfahrt to convert my license to a swiss one. My swiss driving instructor did indeed teach me to "secure" the car in that manner. Which is a total contradiction to what I was previously taught.
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

First gear is much more effective in holding a car on hill than a hand brake....
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

I was always taught to use both - belt and braces, lad
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I was always taught to use both - belt and braces, lad
Me too. I use both the break & the 1st gear.
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Old 08.12.2007, 09:21
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

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First gear is much more effective in holding a car on hill than a hand brake....
Probably as important, is that in the winter, your brakes can freeze. If you park with your car in gear, and the brakes not set, you can avoid frozen brakes.
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

Not sure why this is so strange... I was never taught to do anything like this (or I can't remember), but I always do gear and handbrake. If I had to choose one, I'd choose leaving it in gear.

Were some people here (as in, people on this thread, not people in Switzerland) taught to just use the handbrake? Even on a hill? In many cars the handbrake might not be strong enough and could loosen with time.

As for the car moving when putting in the clutch, I always put my foot on the brake before engaging the clutch when the car is still, so it's not anything I have to think about.

I'm sure its not a case of the Swiss being taught this differently that other countries, but rather a case of the OP being taught differently than most others his country (maybe?) He's not from the US, so there's a good chance he had at least some level of driver education
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

Me too, i also engage first gear and handbrake even in the garage,it's like an automated process before getting out of the car,whereas my hubby ( also swiss) only uses the first gear to secure his car.......................

don't get me started on our driving differencies
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Me too, i also engage first gear and handbrake even in the garage,it's like an automated process before getting out of the car,whereas my hubby ( also swiss) only uses the first gear to secure his car.......................

don't get me started on our driving differencies
haha I'm just lazy and use the handbrake...

But makes sense about the brakes freezing so I should prob leave it in gear
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Were some people here (as in, people on this thread, not people in Switzerland) taught to just use the handbrake? Even on a hill? In many cars the handbrake might not be strong enough and could loosen with time.
Now that I think about it again, I cannot remember too clearly what I was actually taught when first learning in South Africa except that the handbrake was definitely involved. Anyhoo, I always use first gear and the handbrake which I had to do with my car in SA - due to the gear lock which was essential to (maybe) ensuring your car was still there when you got back.
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

I was thought to do both things: put the first gear and to lift the handbrake. I do both things. I did not find out that the swiss did this different.

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Probably as important, is that in the winter, your brakes can freeze. If you park with your car in gear, and the brakes not set, you can avoid frozen brakes.
Coming from the north, I can confirm that this is what I was taught.

It is amazing how you get used to something. I find it hard not to tell someone to leave the handbrake alone when they park on neutral+handbrake. Not that it really matters, I can't recall any frozen handbrake incidents in the near past.
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

I was taught to use both hand brake and gear when I did my driving licences in Zambia and the UK for similar reason already mentioned (except the brakes freezing bit) .
Funny story: the car of one of my friends was hit by a Ferrari which rolled down a slope in the car park because the handbrake slipped.
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Were some people here (as in, people on this thread, not people in Switzerland) taught to just use the handbrake? Even on a hill? In many cars the handbrake might not be strong enough and could loosen with time.
For a hill or a mountain street, with a curb, I was taught to also turn the wheels so the front wheel will stop the car by jamming against the curb. I'm amazed on hilly streets in CH that this isn't done. If you don't park like this you could get a ticket (think San Francisco).

In Paris, unless you're on a hill, don't use the gear or the parking brake - you'll just guarantee a lot of bumper damage when the neighbors bump your car to squeeze in front or behind it...
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

I was converted by a Saab 900 Locking the car in reverse - why use the handbrake. I only twigged after the first service when the handbrake cable was not tightened.

Since then I've moved onto automatics. P. Additional braking on a hill.....just press the button; it's on
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

I was taught gear and handbrake and if on a hill to turn the wheels towards the sidewalk.

Later on in life I learned that if you are in a city like Paris, Rome or Madrid only fools would leave their cars in gear and with handbrake. There neutral is the standard. Not to say that a car in gear would be a problem there though as I have seen cars being in the way simply being lifted away by hand (well, several hands :-).




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I don't have a car, the public transport in my little corner of AG is good enough that I don't need one.

When I do need a car I usually either use one of our departmental pool cars, a small rental company in Baden or Mobility.

One thing I notice in all three cases where the car has been driven by a Swiss previously is that the car is never parked with the handbrake on. Instead it is left in first gear with the handbrake off. This can be a bit strange until you get used to it and start the car with the clutch in (OK you should do that anyway I know)

Is this something that the Swiss are taught? it seems pretty well universal here.
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Is this something that the Swiss are taught? it seems pretty well universal here.
Before I had the car I always used to leave the motorbike in 1st gear as there's no handbrake there
So with the car I do the same, adding the handbrake. It's safer in the end..
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I was taught gear and handbrake and if on a hill to turn the wheels towards the sidewalk.

Later on in life I learned that if you are in a city like Paris, Rome or Madrid only fools would leave their cars in gear and with handbrake. There neutral is the standard. Not to say that a car in gear would be a problem there though as I have seen cars being in the way simply being lifted away by hand (well, several hands :-).
I lived 2 years in Rome and most of my friends used to leave the car in 1st gear..
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

and who cares about that...? sorry guys, but that's an awful boring thread http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/smile.gif
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Re: Cars parked in gear - is this taught to the Swiss?

Yes this is taught here. My driving instructor (been a while now) used to say think of ZKB (Zürcher Kantonalbank) which stands for Zündung, Kupplung, Bremse - so ignition (turn off engine), let clutch go (with car in gear) and then pull up the handbreak... also what is taught is to turn your wheels when parking at an incline so when the car rolls it is stopped by the curb.
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