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the owners handbook may mention adding petrol to the tank during winter time
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the owners handbook may mention adding petrol to the tank during winter time
For the older diesels yes, but the modern ones? I think it will just stop working or you will get all possible engine check lights on the dash?
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Buy a car that doesn't run on diesel. You will also experience less noise and it is better for the environment.
What has more environmental impact - one modern diesel with filters and all stuff running 5-6l / 100km or almost equivalent petrol running 7-8l / 100 km? Talking about BMW 330d here. There are of course many other aspects in diesel vs petrol debate, but lets stick to environmental impact.
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For the older diesels yes, but the modern ones? I think it will just stop working or you will get all possible engine check lights on the dash?

Our work opel 2010 model suggests 2-3 litres of petrol per tank during winter.

my friends merc also suggests similar
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Nope. Switzerland only has one type of diesel (according to weather) called Ganzjahresdiesel, which is marketed year round.

Its possible to get some premium diesel, but this is only actually worth it if you'll experience beyond -24C (Maxxmotion, BP Ultimate, Agrola Cleanline), and unlikely to be found on most (not all) low-lying city fuel pumps. If the OP got one of these types (which i suspect) then paraffin flakes will almost defninitely not be the cause.

Other countries do switch between winter and summer diesel, but Switzerland isnt one of them.
Yup! You are correct and I stand corrected, one lives and learns.
However I did a check and found that Austria's OMV sold "winter diesel" in CH.
That would have confused me.
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Buy a car that doesn't run on diesel. You will also experience less noise and it is better for the environment.
Not all diesel cars are noisey.
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Not all diesel cars are noisey.
I never understood this Euro fascination with Diesel cars. To me, they shoud fuel semi trucks and locomotives and not some family station wagon.
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I never understood this Euro fascination with Diesel cars. To me, they shoud fuel semi trucks and locomotives and not some family station wagon.
Then I can only suggest you go out and test drive a Qashqai. We just swopped our 5 year old petrol model for a diesel one and it's neither more noisy nor slow. It's got a smaller engine, yet twice the torque of the old model and practically took off with me when I drove it the first few times, it's so quick and responsive. Average 100 kilometres per litre is around 5.6 iirc and can get down to mid-4's using the Stop/Start option. Never mind the European fascination, drop the American prejudice and give one a try. You might, just might, be pleasantly surprised.
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I never understood this Euro fascination with Diesel cars. To me, they shoud fuel semi trucks and locomotives and not some family station wagon.
This is our first diesel car, have been amazed at the infrequent visits to fill up with fuel, yes it is quiet. Not sure what you mean by family station wagon, but a family car that is used for short hops, does not make sense to me to be diesel.
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This is our first diesel car, have been amazed at the infrequent visits to fill up with fuel, yes it is quiet. Not sure what you mean by family station wagon, but a family car that is used for short hops, does not make sense to me to be diesel.
Correct. Diesel is more efficient over long distances.

Though every 100 km of short distances, it is important to drive 5 minutes on the Autobahn. This will heat up the filters and burn off the trash that has accumulated driving all those short distances. Resulting in a good breathing diesel engine that thanks you with economical return.
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Correct. Diesel is more efficient over long distances.

Though every 100 km of short distances, it is important to drive 5 minutes on the Autobahn. This will heat up the filters and burn off the trash that has accumulated driving all those short distances. Resulting in a good breathing diesel engine that thanks you with economical return.
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That's a really great tip, never knew about that!
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What has more environmental impact - one modern diesel with filters and all stuff running 5-6l / 100km or almost equivalent petrol running 7-8l / 100 km? Talking about BMW 330d here. There are of course many other aspects in diesel vs petrol debate, but lets stick to environmental impact.
Euro 5 Diesel engines are allowed up to three times the NOx emissions compared with a petrol car.

In addition some scientists claim that particle filters are not really a solution as they create less but also smaller particles which go easier and farther into lungs.
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Then I can only suggest you go out and test drive a Qashqai. We just swopped our 5 year old petrol model for a diesel one and it's neither more noisy nor slow. It's got a smaller engine, yet twice the torque of the old model and practically took off with me when I drove it the first few times, it's so quick and responsive. Average 100 kilometres per litre is around 5.6 iirc and can get down to mid-4's using the Stop/Start option. Never mind the European fascination, drop the American prejudice and give one a try. You might, just might, be pleasantly surprised.
Alright, I'll come pick it up for the weekend, please pm me your address.
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Alright, I'll come pick it up for the weekend, please pm me your address.
Oh no, you might break it.

Garage Galliker AG, Oltenerstrasse 101, 4663 Aarberg, tel: 062 787 7070. Arrange your own test drive.
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Then I can only suggest you go out and test drive a Qashqai. We just swopped our 5 year old petrol model for a diesel one and it's neither more noisy nor slow. It's got a smaller engine, yet twice the torque of the old model and practically took off with me when I drove it the first few times, it's so quick and responsive. Average 100 kilometres per litre is around 5.6 iirc and can get down to mid-4's using the Stop/Start option. Never mind the European fascination, drop the American prejudice and give one a try. You might, just might, be pleasantly surprised.
Oh noooo....the Qashqai plague has returned
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Oh noooo....the Qashqai plague has returned
Then suggest another diesel for him to try. I've only driven a Qashqai so have no idea how other diesels compare.
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Garage Galliker AG, Oltenerstrasse 101, 4663 Aarberg, tel: 062 787 7070. Arrange your own test drive.
Do they ask to see a copy of your driving licence?
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Don't know. Are you old enough to have one?
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In any case, this is unlikely to be the problem. Its likely to be biodiesel related. As you may or may not be aware, all diesel in the EU (and, for the purpose of road transportation, this includes Switzerland) has to be at least 5% biodiesel (Diesel from a biological source, usually algea). Biodiesel is more prone to biological degradation (and more prone to water retention), and individial garages are supposed to use biocides in their fuel tanks to prevent this happening. Problem is, these biocides are expensive so many garages (especially those who dont do a roaring trade) skimp. This doesnt cause them problems in the short term, because the diesel will be sold and probably burnt up without a problem. In some cases though, the biological contamination is quite severe, and then the consumer (in this case the OP) get a damaged engine.
I'm afraid you are completely wrong. There is 0 biodiesel mandate in switzerland, and there is almost 0 algae based biodiesel in the world, never mind 5% of the european diesel market. Oil companies do not willingly throw away cash, without a mandate you will find that they do not add biodiesel at a cost of around 1,100 per metric tonne into your diesel mix for switzerland. Also you will find that even if biodiesel were blended into your diesel here, when properly blended most biodiesel acts as an improver for diesel as it acts both as a lubricant and a cleaning agent. It is this cleaning property that causes an issue in older diesel engines if you add too high a percentage (over say 15%) as it may strip old hydrocarbon residue from your engine and pipes and block your filter that way. You can also have issues if you use high cfpp biodiesel in the wrong climate due to the glycerides, but that is highly unlikely to happen in switzerland given the 0% annual consumption.
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Re: Diesel fuel problems (friendly tip)

Well just got my car back from the dealer. They had to replace the fuel filter, as it was filled with water (2dl, quite a lot according to them). They strongly suspect it was due to the filling station, as I filled up very recently (Saturday). Otherwise no damage, so that's good, I guess the filter did it's job. Still a bit worrying though, as the filling station was a very high frequency filling station. Maybe just bad luck from my side. Oh well, will stick to the normal diesel from now on...
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