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Old 12.12.2012, 16:53
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

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Not true, because the most easily made and most profitable fines would be for tailgating during rush hour.



Not true, because one of the more dangerous offenses is tailgating during the rush hour.


What is your point?
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

I had a ticket in France for doing 2km over...

I was doing 118 in a 110 limit and they give you 5% which is 116...

My mistake was thinking that they give you 8% like in Swiss...

But the fine was only 20 so not a problem.

Also in Francce/Swiss you don't get points that add up and then mean you lose your licence like in the UK, so as long as you are not doing stupid speeds (go to Germany for that) you can just speed as much as you want on a PAYG basis...
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I think the misunderstanding here is cultural.

You do mean by "change" that fee or fine is taken away or revoked or whatever.

However "change" could also mean "surplus of info" i.e. the info that laser technique has been used and - surprise for OP - that there has been a tolerance already deducted.

That info - instead of opening a thread on the forum, which is afaik no sacrilege, could have easily and at zero cost been retrieved by simply asking the office in question. If given the relevant info not in a top-down modus, that unfortunately seem to be the norm in many countries - OP could have got a value added out of the info that he was faster than he thought - even if he had paid attention to speed - and that up from that moment he could be a more careful driver


Might be different in countries where the citizen is considered an underling subject, don't know.
STOP! There is not a misunderstanding - the OP is guilty as charged - direct to jail without passing Go and collecting $200

Accept my words for my words. Don't put any other meaning to my words. I have enough of former counterparts that did that. Accept the fact: A phone call is USELESS! OP, pay the bill and have a good day anyway
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I had a ticket in France for doing 2km over...

I was doing 118 in a 110 limit and they give you 5% which is 116...

My mistake was thinking that they give you 8% like in Swiss...

But the fine was only 20 so not a problem.

Also in Francce/Swiss you don't get points that add up and then mean you lose your licence like in the UK, so as long as you are not doing stupid speeds (go to Germany for that) you can just speed as much as you want on a PAYG basis...
Sorry, but your math doesn't work for me

In Switzerland you do not get 8%... I don't know who is spreading that rumor. Deduction is dependent on the mode of measurement. Older radar is -5 km/h and newer laser measurement is -3 km/h off the clocked speed.
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Sorry, but your math doesn't work for me

In Switzerland you do not get 8%... I don't know who is spreading that rumor. Deduction is dependent on the mode of measurement. Older radar is -5 km/h and newer laser measurement is -3 km/h off the clocked speed.
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I have a print out from a Swiss police car that shows the speed I was recorded doing, the 8% deduction, and then the speed that the fine is based on...
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Old 12.12.2012, 17:09
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

I do like these threads (and several 1000chfs later I have learnt my lesson)

Anyway... yesterday... on the Hardbrukke bridge in Zurich, there was a silver car parked in the bus stop, that was also... a speed camera! Sneaky...

Does not hurt to check on here once in a while and see what temporary cameras are working http://www.swiss-traffic.com/ see map at the bottom.

In Switzerland it seems speed limit is really just that, a limit (and not to forget red lights, which you can pass on green and still get flashed - cos you stayed in the box too long, or tried to speed up to beat the light) Double sneaky
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I have a print out from a Swiss police car that shows the speed I was recorded doing, the 8% deduction, and then the speed that the fine is based on...
Quite possible - I doubt that they have the same accuracy in a moving car as opposed to a stationary camera..
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When I moved to France about 5 years ago, I got caught doing 56 k's in a 50 zone. They also deducted 5 k's, and I still got a fine for 98 Euros! From that moment on I always I had my speed limiter on in France.

So, the Swiss fines are really not that bad compared to France......
For 1kph over perhaps not, but in CH the fine is based on the amount over, i.e. a set price per kph over the limit, whereas in France it's fixed.
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Old 12.12.2012, 17:18
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Quite possible - I doubt that they have the same accuracy in a moving car as opposed to a stationary camera..
As far as I can remember, the highest tolerance is with mobile speed radars, then fixed radars, then lasers.
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In Switzerland you do not get 8%... I don't know who is spreading that rumor.
Me and the Swiss goverment

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Tolerances:
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As far as I can remember, the highest tolerance is with mobile speed radars, then fixed radars, then lasers.
Yeah yeah, it's like talking to a wall as we say in German. Does nobody read my posts?

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Anyway... yesterday... on the Hardbrukke bridge in Zurich, there was a silver car parked in the bus stop, that was also... a speed camera! Sneaky...
Sneaky, maybe. But not unexpected. It is a 50 zone but many are doing 65, very dangerous (in the financial sense) as its where it gets really expensive.
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

Lets go a little faster...

Unless it has changed recently, your license will be removed if speeding 25 km/h over the limit inside of city/town/village limits and 30 km/h over the limit outside city/town/village limits and the Autobahn.

This is good to know... just in case the need for speed arises!

If someone has the link with details, that would be great (busy at the moment to look for sources). Thanks.
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Unless it has changed recently, your license will be removed if speeding 25 km/h over the limit inside of city/town/village limits and 30 km/h over the limit outside city/town/village limits and the Autobahn.
Within city limits: 20km/h in a 30km/h zone. 25km/h otherwise.
Outside city limits: 30 km/h
Autobahn: 35 km/h
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'Recommended' fines for speeding when no simple fine (Ordnungsbusse) is possible.
(grobe verletzung = sever infraction leads to license suspension Art. 16b SVG even Art. 16c SVG).
So far the federal court did not say anything about the 20 km/h limit in the 30 km/h zone. (Just think about missing a 30 sign and going slightly over 50)
BGE 123 II 106
BGE 124 II 259
Keep in mind that depending on the actual circumstances (pedestrians, traffic, weather, road condition) a license suspension can be issued even before this limit is reached.
Also, it is not the judge that decides about the suspension but the Strassenverkehrsamt/Service Auto based on the judges verdict and sentence.

Oh, I found this BGE 1C_356/2009: If the judge thinks you did an Art. 90 Ziff. 2 SVG violation, you will get a three month license suspension as defined in Art. 16c SVG. Sorry MyBrotherJohn, did not know that back then.

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If someone has the link with details, that would be great (busy at the moment to look for sources). Thanks.
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