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Old 11.12.2012, 23:19
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Fine for driving 52 km/hr

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I got a 40 SFR fine for driving 52 km/hr instead of the permitted limit 50 km/hr. I strongly doubt their devices as I was closely tracking the velocity. Is there an appeal process for that?

As first step, I would request that they proof that they have a picture of my car, and a proof that their velocity check devices are regularly checked and maintained.

I don;t care about the 40 SFR (if I write an appeal, I would anyway waste effectively more than 40 SFR). It is really the essence now of their silly fines which matters and I would like to fight back.

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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

the laser device is probably more accurate that your speedo and your GPS.

but you could ask for pictures to help you identify the driver. They might send them.
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Old 11.12.2012, 23:24
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I got a 40 SFR fine for driving 52 km/hr instead of the permitted limit 50 km/hr. I strongly doubt their devices as I was closely tracking the velocity. Is there an appeal process for that?

As first step, I would request that they proof that they have a picture of my car, and a proof that their velocity check devices are regularly checked and maintained.

I don;t care about the 40 SFR (if I write an appeal, I would anyway waste effectively more than 40 SFR). It is really the essence now of their silly fines which matters and I would like to fight back.

Thanks for your time
Hate it when that happens, also a victim of 52 in a 50.

If they clocked you with a laser, then you were going 55, minus three for any differences and the result is fined. And that three km/h is a gift because the radar devices these days are quite accurate. This is not the states It is not that easy to fight the cameras. A photo is possible, but usually costs (though not sure how much, maybe someone here does know).
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Old 11.12.2012, 23:25
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

Ok, maybe indeed something is wrong with my perception of things if I am being groaned for having thoughts on appeal due to 2 km/hr offense.

Come'on, I am the only one thinking this is absolutely ridiculous?
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

The fine is likely to be for 57km per hour - 5km grace. That is how it normally works here. My OH got done for what seemed like 1 km per hour - and it was actually 56 - 5 = 51.

There is no fighting it, it is the law, clear as a bell. Try if you wish, and you'll probably end with a much much larger fine. We all speed to some extent from time to time - and when you get caught - you cough up. End of.

But you do what you want, of course.

Edit, sorry JC, posts crossed.
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Old 11.12.2012, 23:25
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

How would you feel about having to pay CHF250 doing unknowingly 62kph in 50kph zone? Then forget to pay it while on holidays and eventually facing a bill of CHF500. HTFU, 40 chuffs is regular price we motorist pay. Add few parking tickets - that's life. Good luck with your appeal - I would really like to see it happen !
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

Thank you. This was a solid explanation which convinces me NOT to write any appeal.
I simply don't understand the aggressiveness of others who blindly groan.

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Hate it when that happens, also a victim of 52 in a 50.

If they clocked you with a laser, then you were going 55, minus three for any differences and the result is fined. And that three km/h is a gift because the radar devices these days are quite accurate. This is not the states It is not that easy to fight the cameras. A photo is possible, but usually costs (though not sure how much, maybe someone here does know).
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How can you unknowingly do 62 in a 50???

Yeah, I know, I got caught on the M25 (London) in and out of variable speed limits, changing for no apparent reasons. Cost me loads because I was late paying. Was driving a hire van, fine went to hire co who sent to our old UK address, who then forwarded to CH. A pain in the neck, but what is the point of wasting time and money on appeal. It's a fair cop.
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Thank you. This was a solid explanation which convinces me NOT to write any appeal.
I simply don't understand the aggressiveness of others who blindly groan.
Your welcome.

Get over it, the sun will still rise in the East tomorrow morning (somewhere).
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

I had some appeal recently for a parking ticket. There was really NO any parking in my area. I was searching for one for at least 45 minutes (though it was not the initial plan). Will report on the outcome...
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Old 11.12.2012, 23:30
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Thank you. This was a solid explanation which convinces me NOT to write any appeal.
I simply don't understand the aggressiveness of others who blindly groan.
Easy, it's 52 AFTER they take off 5, so it's actually 57!

Limit is 50, you were well over even with the 5kph tolerance.

That's why the groan.

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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

I got one for 51 in a 50 zone some time ago. Sucks, but what you gonna do...
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

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How can you unknowingly do 62 in a 50???

Yeah, I know, I got caught on the M25 (London) in and out of variable speed limits, changing for no apparent reasons. Cost me loads because I was late paying. Was driving a hire van, fine went to hire co who sent to our old UK address, who then forwarded to CH. A pain in the neck, but what is the point of wasting time and money on appeal. It's a fair cop.
Simply driving first time years ago in one of those inner city Zurich roads at night. Didn't realize it wasn't 60kph zone anymore Apparently one of those famous places where many get caught. My worst ever fine and there was not a single soul on the road or any sort of life endangering situation. Just a silly camera flash in middle of abandoned ghost city.

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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

It;s actually 55-3, but nevermind.

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Easy, it's 52 AFTER they take off 5, so it's actually 57!

Limit is 50, you were well over even with the 5kph tolerance.

That's why the groan.

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It;s actually 55-3, but nevermind.
So laser, less tolerance, same idea.

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I got one for 51 in a 50 zone some time ago. Sucks, but what you gonna do...
It's a joke right? They always subtract 2-3 kph and what about 10% tolerance.
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It's a joke right? They always subtract 2-3 kph and what about 10% tolerance.
They subtracted I think 3km or so, I don't remember...So the fine was for 51 kph, where as the measured speed was 54
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

Please help sign our new petition to have the allowable speed tolerance in a built up area raised to 52.0002765 km/h and end the pointless suffering currently endured by the 52 km/h laser victims.
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Re: Fine for driving 52 km/hr

I think with fixed installations based on laser it's 7%.

You only get the 10% frequent speeder's discount when they chase you.
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It;s actually 55-3, but nevermind.
Laser cameras remove 3 km/h - older radar cameras remove 5 km/h due to less accuracy.

10 percent tolerance in your speedometer is only a rule of thumb. My old car had 14-15 km/h difference at 120 km/h. Whereas my new car has only 9 km/h difference at the same speed measured with the same GPS. So, actually, the speedometer of the car displayed a much higher speed than clocked by the laser/radar. My guess between 58 and 62.
Shame on you Vlad.
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