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Old 14.12.2012, 11:39
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It is not a legal requirement to have to change to winter tyres, per se.
That may be the case, but a number of Grenzgängers who work with us here have been turned back at the border because they've had summer tyres on thier cars in winter.
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Old 14.12.2012, 11:46
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That may be the case, but a number of Grenzgängers who work with us here have been turned back at the border because they've had summer tyres on thier cars in winter.
Turn back to where by whom? Like back to Switzerland by the German authorities? No wonder: German StVO § 2 mandates M + S tires if there is ice, frost, slush, or snow on the road.
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Old 14.12.2012, 12:01
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The Swiss Border Controls sending them back to Germany i.e. not letting them in.
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Old 14.12.2012, 12:01
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That may be the case, but a number of Grenzgängers who work with us here have been turned back at the border because they've had summer tyres on thier cars in winter.
It's not because it's winter but because of the conditions.

In the majority of Switzerland, for most of the winter, the conditions will require winter tyres.
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Old 14.12.2012, 12:07
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Simple answer - they're not proper winter tyres; and they're not proper summer tyres.

It's only foreigners that use them here - Swiss folk have two sets.
Well, I have two sets, but my Swiss wife has all-season tires (or does she just use winter tires year round, I'll have to check)

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Old 14.12.2012, 12:10
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Swiss snow is quite dry
Not around here.

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Old 14.12.2012, 12:13
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Not around here.

Tom
indeed last night's 3cm is starting to look decidedly unfluffy already!
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Old 14.12.2012, 12:14
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Turn back to where by whom? Like back to Switzerland by the German authorities? No wonder: German StVO § 2 mandates M + S tires if there is ice, frost, slush, or snow on the road.
Italy too, starting a couple years ago. If there's snow on the ground, they MUST have snow tires or chains mounted between November and March.

So, much less people on the road today due to the 3" of snow this morning.

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Old 14.12.2012, 12:15
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indeed last night's 3cm is starting to look decidedly unfluffy already!
More like 8cm here, but I hope it all melts by this afternoon.

Heard that there's no snow in Lugano itself.

In any case, it should turn to rain later today, and rain throughout the weekend and early next week!

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Not true. I had all seasons without the M+S mark or the snowflake.
Snowflake mark means they are more intense than tires marked "M+S", snowflake tires are winter tires.
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Re: All season tires

Were all seasons from Michelin. It was written on the tires.

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If that was in Europe, they were not All season tyres.
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Old 14.12.2012, 23:19
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Were all seasons from Michelin. It was written on the tires.
The P6 All season has M+S on it for sure, pretty good tyres even in the Chamonix Valley.
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Many locals in Kt ZH use Winter tyres in Winter (because its safer, as well as to avoid insurance issues in case of an accident), then switch to cheaper tyres in Summer, so as not to wear them out. Some pay their garage to store the spare set for them.

Alternatively some just use Winter tyres all year round which is probably more expensive in the long run, because the tread wears down and then they have to be replaced faster.

This week I also slid out of control once (slow motion downhill around a corner a tad wider than planned) luckily the ABS kicked in, which for this Aussie is a whole new experience! The snow was not the problem, my tyres are excellent on snow; there was a layer of ice as well as Autumn leaves underneath it. Not sure if tyre tread is relevant in that case.

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