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MacGregor's Daughter 27.10.2014 13:28

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2269079)
Only the first post is needed :p
See link "official price list"

Phone is item 311 and CHF 100.
Speeding will be either item 303.3.a 1-5km/h over CHF 20 or Item 303.3.b 6-10km/h over CHF 60.

Yes they check for phone and seatbelt usage. That one would be item 312.1 and CHF 60. Source: One of my GFs' speeding ticket.

FTFY :D But thanks a lot for this useful information.

Markarina 27.10.2014 14:57

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defcon3 28.10.2014 16:52

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Same camera. Third time in a month. This time, 16km above the 50km limit. No pay slip. This is bad.

On a separate note - shouldn't one get some sort of protection from angry wife in case of fine? Like, either angry wife or fine? Both is a bit excessive, methinks. Should I go to the speeding bureau and just play my wife's recording and get this thing annulled?

I am joking but this is pure defense mechanism, actually my head is now playing an airplane "brace, brace" message for when the fine lands to split me in half...

Did I mention this is the same fricking camera and latest fine is just dated 18/09, so more days in the same month damn it...

Guest 28.10.2014 17:02

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Your wife should be delighted- she will be able to have your car soon;)

Don't want to kick a man when he is down- but really- same camera x3 - is your brain not picking up? Best of luck (with both...)

defcon3 28.10.2014 17:15

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Your wife should be delighted- she will be able to have your car soon;)

Don't want to kick a man when he is down- but really- same camera x3 - is your brain not picking up? Best of luck (with both...)
My wife will not be a bundle of joy, as I am the driver in the family. Meaning, we all walk if I lose the license. The link behind the "same fricking camera" leads to more details. TLDR = speed sign is mounted on the left of the road and poorly so (on exit from the tunnel), so until the first fine hit my mailbox I was oblivious I was speeding at 60 in a 50 zone... No excuse whatsoever, especially when I was doing 16 over according to the last letter (which in itself is speeding +6 in a "presumed" 60 zone)...

I fret at how many times I have repeated the same mistake until the first fine hit me and I now drive like my grandma only slower.

defcon3 29.10.2014 09:05

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This morning I pleaded my case at the Service de Contraventions. No priors, good husband and driver, gotta be something there to shave a km off to make it less painful and avoid administrative procedure on top of the pricelist fine...

Guy was sympathetic and all but eventually said - these things are perfected to a point making it impossible to remove. It's official folks, the machines have taken over. SkyNet is the new business buddy of the state. It is only a question of time before the machines decide it is not worth splitting the dough with the humans...

Gentleman at the desk was polite to check and tell me "no more fines in the pipeline for you, chill". Is anyone familiar what are the possible consequences for destroying a speed camera IF one is caught? Wow, wow, wow, KIDDING people, kidding! Do not supply advice, go pour yourselves a cup of coffee and smile :D

bigfujitsu 29.10.2014 09:21

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the company that manufactures and operates these cameras must make a lot of money? how much do they receive from each fine? I know in the USA they receive about 50% of the fine revenue for the cost of the camera and the operation....

Sean Connery 29.10.2014 09:25

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Originally Posted by defcon3 (Post 2270313)
This morning I pleaded my case at the Service de Contraventions. No priors, good husband and driver, gotta be something there to shave a km off to make it less painful and avoid administrative procedure on top of the pricelist fine...

Guy was sympathetic and all but eventually said - these things are perfected to a point making it impossible to remove. It's official folks, the machines have taken over. SkyNet is the new business buddy of the state. It is only a question of time before the machines decide it is not worth splitting the dough with the humans...

Gentleman at the desk was polite to check and tell me "no more fines in the pipeline for you, chill". Is anyone familiar what are the possible consequences for destroying a speed camera IF one is caught? Wow, wow, wow, KIDDING people, kidding! Do not supply advice, go pour yourselves a cup of coffee and smile :D

You can break the machines. They don't work if you don't speed past them ;)

bigfujitsu 29.10.2014 09:57

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the cameras work at very high speed so don't try your luck like some people have done in the past haha

video corvette testing cameras at 200mph



aSwissInTheUS 29.10.2014 10:58

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Originally Posted by bigfujitsu (Post 2270321)
the company that manufactures and operates these cameras must make a lot of money? how much do they receive from each fine? I know in the USA they receive about 50% of the fine revenue for the cost of the camera and the operation....

Nothing per fine.

Guest 29.10.2014 11:07

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Honestly, I hope you don't lose your licence- but ... I find it difficult to fathom that in this day and age, dad is the sole driver in a family- a perfect opportunity for your wife to get learning and driving asap- what if something happens to you, sickness, accident, have to travel for work, etc?

+ 16km normally means + 21 minus 5 bonus.

Must say I am a lot more concerned about McG's situation- driving on MWay over limit ON THE PHONE - for me should mean a much larger fine- and loss of licence for a while. sorry McG, not sure if it was you or a family member- and nothing personal, but in my book it is inexcusable. The speed is not my primary concern, I have to admit to speeding myself, outside villages and when conditions and traffic indicate that it's safe to do so (yes, I know- but come on... don't we all?)- but I never onn the phone!!!

My huge concern now is seeing the number of people who drive with the head down practicall between their knees- overtaking, in heavy traffic- WHO ARE BL***Y TEXTING, be it here, in France or UK. That should be immediate loss of licence as far as I am concerned.

bigblue2 29.10.2014 11:12

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I feel better about being caught by the same camera twice now :)

aSwissInTheUS 29.10.2014 11:19

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Originally Posted by defcon3 (Post 2270313)
Is anyone familiar what are the possible consequences for destroying a speed camera IF one is caught? Wow, wow, wow, KIDDING people, kidding! Do not supply advice, go pour yourselves a cup of coffee and smile :D

Jail time.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/22407790

They got acquitted. Using the very same evidences which was used against them in the first trial.
http://www.gerichte-zh.ch/fileadmin/...B120100-O1.pdf
http://www.gerichte-zh.ch/fileadmin/...B120101-O1.pdf
http://www.gerichte-zh.ch/fileadmin/...B120102-O1.pdf
http://www.gerichte-zh.ch/fileadmin/...B120103-O1.pdf

MacGregor's Daughter 29.10.2014 12:29

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Honestly, I hope you don't lose your licence- but ... I find it difficult to fathom that in this day and age, dad is the sole driver in a family- a perfect opportunity for your wife to get learning and driving asap- what if something happens to you, sickness, accident, have to travel for work, etc?

+ 16km normally means + 21 minus 5 bonus.

Must say I am a lot more concerned about McG's situation- driving on MWay over limit ON THE PHONE - for me should mean a much larger fine- and loss of licence for a while. sorry McG, not sure if it was you or a family member- and nothing personal, but in my book it is inexcusable. My huge concern now is seeing the number of people who drive with the head down practicall between their knees- overtaking, in heavy traffic- WHO ARE BL***Y TEXTING, be it here, in France or UK. That should be immediate loss of licence as far as I am concerned.
AHHHHH Thanks for scaring so much. Right now I want to believe they flashed the car in front of me, as it was going the same speed I was and maybe they missed me.

Sbrinz 29.10.2014 13:02

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That should be immediate loss of licence as far as I am concerned.
The penalty can be worse: up to 3 years in jail

Writing an SMS while driving was classified as major traffic rule violation by the Federal Court in 2009, which according to Art. 90 Paragraph 2 Road Traffic Act, carries imprisonment up to three years, or a fine may be imposed (Case 6B_666 / 2009).

http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...index.html#a90

Das Schreiben eines SMS am Steuer wurde durch das Bundesgericht im Jahr 2009 als grobe Verkehrsregelverletzung eingestuft, welche gemäss Art. 90 Ziffer 2 Strassenverkehrsgesetz mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder Geldstrafe bestraft werden kann (Urteil 6B_666/2009).

Cheese&ChocolateGuy 29.10.2014 16:55

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next try:


Guest 30.10.2014 00:11

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by bigfujitsu (Post 2270352)
the cameras work at very high speed so don't try your luck like some people have done in the past haha

video corvette testing cameras at 200mph



There's nothing in that video about speed cameras at all nor any proof (or even suggestion) of any camera, even the EZ-tag toll collection camera, working at high speeds. Not that I'm saying such cameras wouldn't work, but this video doesn't prove it.

Mark75 30.10.2014 06:43

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Originally Posted by bigfujitsu (Post 2270321)
the company that manufactures and operates these cameras must make a lot of money? how much do they receive from each fine? I know in the USA they receive about 50% of the fine revenue for the cost of the camera and the operation....

Speed cameras in Switzerland are generally operated by the respective cantonal or municipal authorities. The manufacturers just sell (and possibly service) the machines but they don't get a share of the revenues from fines.

defcon3 30.10.2014 07:13

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Honestly, I hope you don't lose your licence- but ... I find it difficult to fathom that in this day and age, dad is the sole driver in a family- a perfect opportunity for your wife to get learning and driving asap- what if something happens to you, sickness, accident, have to travel for work, etc?

+ 16km normally means + 21 minus 5 bonus.

...
The guy at the counter advised to expect a nasty letter with ballpark 600 cash penalty, 400 per pricelist plus 200-ish for admin fees justifying the existence of government hired vampires sucking taxpayer blood. He didn't go anywhere license suspension, and I am praying this is not an option. Will report when the golden leaf of paper lands.

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2270437)
Jail time.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/22407790

They got acquitted. Using the very same evidences which was used against them in the first trial.

Cannot stress enough - I am joking. Most of camera equipment is supervised permanently by security cameras mounted high(er) and farther away. Planning such a hit will resemble proper bank robbery and if ever jailed, I'd rather be jailed after stashing millions somewhere safe instead of breaking a metal box full of flashes and wires... Just sayin'

aSwissInTheUS 30.10.2014 09:38

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Originally Posted by defcon3 (Post 2270991)
The guy at the counter advised to expect a nasty letter with ballpark 600 cash penalty, 400 per pricelist plus 200-ish for admin fees justifying the existence of government hired vampires sucking taxpayer blood. He didn't go anywhere license suspension, and I am praying this is not an option. Will report when the golden leaf of paper lands.

You will get a warning. Which means you will get one month license suspension (at least) if you get caught over the simple fine limit within the next two years.

Oh, and also another bill.


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