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Old 30.10.2014, 10:25
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

look at the bright side, defcon3...now that AirFrance has paid up for losing your luggage, you have some spare cash to pay your speeding fines.

I'll get my coat...
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Old 30.10.2014, 10:48
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You will get a warning. Which means you will get one month license suspension (at least) if you get caught over the simple fine limit within the next two years.

Oh, and also another bill.
Will the probation officer perform unannounced drug tests and urine sampling? Am I allowed to remove the ankle bracelet when showering or swimming at the lake? Is swimming subject to separate penalty, deep cavity search or both? Are disposable napkins used for tears resulting from one or more penalties above tax deductible?

Trying to picture the next two years of my life, that's all...
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Old 30.10.2014, 10:51
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look at the bright side, defcon3...now that AirFrance has paid up for losing your luggage, you have some spare cash to pay your speeding fines.

I'll get my coat...
True dat. I told my wife the same thing yesterday and she nodded in agreement. If you are overwhelmed with speeding fines or your driving license suspended, just fly [not catchy enough for an add slogan, I'm afraid]
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Old 30.10.2014, 10:58
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Will the probation officer perform unannounced drug tests and urine sampling? Am I allowed to remove the ankle bracelet when showering or swimming at the lake? Is swimming subject to separate penalty, deep cavity search or both? Are disposable napkins used for tears resulting from one or more penalties above tax deductible?

Trying to picture the next two years of my life, that's all...
Swimming at the lake from Oct 1st to March 31 only. Mandatory.
Bracelet is available in blue, pink, and black. Because of high demand, only pink is available at the moment.
No tax deduction for Napkins. But tax deduction for a push bike, CHF 600 (seriously).
Additionally, you are accountable for any speeding in any vehicle. Passenger or driver. Including tram, train, and bus.
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Same camera. Third time in a month. This time, 16km above the 50km limit. No pay slip. This is bad.

On a separate note - shouldn't one get some sort of protection from angry wife in case of fine? Like, either angry wife or fine? Both is a bit excessive, methinks. Should I go to the speeding bureau and just play my wife's recording and get this thing annulled?

I am joking but this is pure defense mechanism, actually my head is now playing an airplane "brace, brace" message for when the fine lands to split me in half...

Did I mention this is the same fricking camera and latest fine is just dated 18/09, so more days in the same month damn it...
If you have been done 3 times on the same camera in one month, albeit 2 not so serious, and you mentioned you were the only driver in the family, although i guess they have pics too, then it will be painful.....

All the agro you gave Air France, rightly so, is going to come back and bite you in the ass.

For a once off at + 16, with no precedant "large" fines since 2 years it will cost somewhere around Chf 1'000.-- (all included) more than +16 you will probably lose your license for a while.

Despite what any of them say, they know you've had 3 fines on same camera in 1 month, this will count, fair or not is irrelevant, the information is known to them
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Old 30.10.2014, 15:23
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Despite what any of them say, they know you've had 3 fines on same camera in 1 month, this will count, fair or not is irrelevant, the information is known to them
Dude at the speeding bureau acknowledged they have this record. He quoted the dates and fines imposed to date and *based on that summary* he said I should expect two letters: pricelist 400 + admin ~250-ish nasty letter (as added by fellow members here with likely 2yr probation). There is no clear rule book, it seems, huh...

I have now substituted my apparent speeding pleasures with mamie-driving mind-bending slowness. Fiscal whips work miracles on general population citizens (unlike UN half-gods). Altogether, I think we should outlaw smoking: three fines to the tune of a thousand or more, hardcore junkies will be cured in a flash.

On a side note - these all come months after I became Swiss, just to teach me how long of a journey I have before me to be a true Schweitz.
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Dude at the speeding bureau acknowledged they have this record. He quoted the dates and fines imposed to date and *based on that summary* he said I should expect two letters: pricelist 400 + admin ~250-ish nasty letter (as added by fellow members here with likely 2yr probation). There is no clear rule book, it seems, huh...
That's what i was told in Vaud too, and i ended up paying very close to Chf 1k + 2 years of good behaviour for a + 16km in a 50 limit. (That was without 2 other fines on the same camera in the same month.........Dude)

It is the judge who fixes the fine not the guy in the speeding bureau who is only really interested in a quiet life without too much wailing and bull shit excuses from all and sundry, Dude

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Old 30.10.2014, 15:42
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That's what i was told in Vaud too, and i ended up paying very close to Chf 1k + 2 years of good behaviour for a + 16km in a 50 limit. (That was without 2 other fines on the same camera in the same month.........Dude)

It is the judge who fixes the fine not the guy in the speeding bureau who is only really interestd in a quiet live without too much wailing and bull shit excuses from all and sundry, Dude
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Old 30.10.2014, 16:18
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That's what i was told in Vaud too, and i ended up paying very close to Chf 1k + 2 years of good behaviour for a + 16km in a 50 limit. (That was without 2 other fines on the same camera in the same month.........Dude)

It is the judge who fixes the fine not the guy in the speeding bureau who is only really interested in a quiet life without too much wailing and bull shit excuses from all and sundry, Dude
I think you misread my use of dude Did not use it as way to address you, but rather dude-at-the-speeding-bureau name for this unnamed aspiring public servant who is only playing pocket tennis in hopes of faster days going by with as little ripples as possible...

And you are correct - my humble self is now at the mercy of "the judge", perhaps best portrayed as "the architect" from the Matrix? I do hope historical records have some weight in the whole thing: I got my Swiss driving license 8+ years ago, have since had minor parking and one single +3km on the highway speeding offenses. Then this triple slaughter in a month. It is dark but staying optimistic there is still common sense out there?
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I think you misread my use of dude Did not use it as way to address you, but rather dude-at-the-speeding-bureau name for this unnamed aspiring public servant who is only playing pocket tennis in hopes of faster days going by with as little ripples as possible...

And you are correct - my humble self is now at the mercy of "the judge", perhaps best portrayed as "the architect" from the Matrix? I do hope historical records have some weight in the whole thing: I got my Swiss driving license 8+ years ago, have since had minor parking and one single +3km on the highway speeding offenses. Then this triple slaughter in a month. It is dark but staying optimistic there is still common sense out there?
I misread

Previous minor parking and speeding won't be taken into account, often they are anonomous anyway. I had clean license for several years and got hit, but i didn't lose my license.

Without the other 2 offences, same month, same camera, you would only normaly pay unless the Judge is feeling particularly vindictive, but with these other 2 offences so close and same place, i fear you may need to buy some walking boots for couple of months.

Lets hope you get a benevolent judge.....
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Old 30.10.2014, 16:49
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Lets hope you get a benevolent judge.....
Let's hope indeed. Wife is pregnant again, car is her sole ticket out of her usual walking distance radius... And it might not be the best of times to bring up "why don't you get a driving license, honey" moment when your belly is growing by the minute. I'm truly sorry for not keeping my eyes wide open. Each day I drive by the 50 sign I think to myself "how the funk did you not see this sign here, here, HERE?!". Eating humble pie by the dozen here, will feel even worse if I park the car for a few months.

And just like that, scared of even darker prospects, a thousand francs don't seem much, eh? Dazed, check. Confused, check. Worried, check. Have I switzerlanded?
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Old 31.10.2014, 00:07
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Dude at the speeding bureau acknowledged they have this record. He quoted the dates and fines imposed to date and *based on that summary* he said I should expect two letters: pricelist 400 + admin ~250-ish nasty letter (as added by fellow members here with likely 2yr probation). There is no clear rule book, it seems, huh...

I have now substituted my apparent speeding pleasures with mamie-driving mind-bending slowness. Fiscal whips work miracles on general population citizens (unlike UN half-gods). Altogether, I think we should outlaw smoking: three fines to the tune of a thousand or more, hardcore junkies will be cured in a flash.

On a side note - these all come months after I became Swiss, just to teach me how long of a journey I have before me to be a true Schweitz.
If it makes you feel any better I got caught by the boys in blue in the middle of nowhere where the limit dropped from 60 to 80 for less than 1Km, I was doing 84 in 60 after allowance 81, got pulled details taken etc. .... Letter came through 260CHF fine and 330CHF admin, still waiting for the second letter. Offence was 2nd Sept, letter 24th Sept still no second letter.

It was only annoying because I was running late trying to make up a little time otherwise would have normally slowed down even though the only things in the area are an adult entertainment club and some sort of railway building (not a station), like the policeman said Murphy's Law, the day I was late was the day they had the speed trap set up, double Murphy's law as less than 5 minutes later they were packing up.

Even though no second letter I'm going to be even more careful than I usually am just to be safe.
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Old 31.10.2014, 09:28
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If it makes you feel any better I got caught by the boys in blue in the middle of nowhere where the limit dropped from 60 to 80 for less than 1Km, I was doing 84 in 60 after allowance 81, got pulled details taken etc. .... Letter came through 260CHF fine and 330CHF admin, still waiting for the second letter. Offence was 2nd Sept, letter 24th Sept still no second letter.

It was only annoying because I was running late trying to make up a little time otherwise would have normally slowed down even though the only things in the area are an adult entertainment club and some sort of railway building (not a station), like the policeman said Murphy's Law, the day I was late was the day they had the speed trap set up, double Murphy's law as less than 5 minutes later they were packing up.

Even though no second letter I'm going to be even more careful than I usually am just to be safe.
Sihlbrugg railway station is my guess old 4 road, thanks for the advice I drive through there from time to time.

https://www.google.ch/maps/place/Sih...ef5bcb4d2d27e7
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Old 31.10.2014, 09:31
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Sihlbrugg railway station is my guess old 4 road, thanks for the advice I drive through there from time to time.
Sounds like it to me too. A section of road which can be very tempting to blast along!
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Sihlbrugg railway station is my guess old 4 road, thanks for the advice I drive through there from time to time.

https://www.google.ch/maps/place/Sih...ef5bcb4d2d27e7
couldn't possibly comment as revealing locations of speed traps is an offence
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Old 31.10.2014, 12:40
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Must say I am a lot more concerned about McG's situation- driving on MWay over limit ON THE PHONE - for me should mean a much larger fine- and loss of licence for a while. sorry McG, not sure if it was you or a family member- and nothing personal, but in my book it is inexcusable. The speed is not my primary concern, I have to admit to speeding myself, outside villages and when conditions and traffic indicate that it's safe to do so (yes, I know- but come on... don't we all?)- but I never onn the phone!!

No texting, browsing, etc I get. I'm all for harsh punishments on that one.

But no talking on the phone?

Why?

Also not talking to passengers, not listening to radio?

And don't tell me "use your hands free", because I will ask if one-armed people are permitted to drive or not? I honestly don't know but it would seem harsh not to let them...
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Old 31.10.2014, 13:21
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No texting, browsing, etc I get. I'm all for harsh punishments on that one.

But no talking on the phone?

Why?

Also not talking to passengers, not listening to radio?

And don't tell me "use your hands free", because I will ask if one-armed people are permitted to drive or not? I honestly don't know but it would seem harsh not to let them...
Its very simple you should avoid tasks where your brain is engaged elsewhere rather than on the road, using a phone means you are concentrating on the phone call and not the road. Same goes for annoying passengers. This has been proven.

http://www.economist.com/node/185610...ry_id=18561075

The human brain has to work harder to process language and communication with somebody who is not physically present. (Conversation with passengers is much less distracting, apparently because those passengers are also aware of the traffic situation and moderate their conversation.) A study by Carnegie Mellon University using brain imaging found that merely listening to somebody speak on the phone led to a 37% decrease in activity in the parietal lobe, where spatial tasks are processed. This suggests that hands-free use of mobile phones cannot help much. Such distractions, according to one study, make drivers more collision-prone than having a blood-alcohol level of .08%, the legal limit in America. It appears to raise the risk of an accident by four times. Texting multiplies the risk by several times again.
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How long does it usually take for the speeding ticket to be sent?
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How long does it usually take for the speeding ticket to be sent?
Good question, thanks for asking.

I was following a car on the autobahn a couple of weeks back, when there was a flash.

How long do I have to torment myself with the "was it him, was it me?" question ...... although I was surprised it went off, anyway as speed wasn't excessive and barely over - according to GPS speed indication.
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How long does it usually take for the speeding ticket to be sent?
Traffic plod or static?
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