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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

You received a fine, which is a penal measure. Now, as you were more than 15 km/h over the limit in a built-up area, you are facing an administrative measure as well.

If this is your first offence, you should get away with a warning (see table here: https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/). If this is the case, if I were you, I would not respond to the letter, just take the warning and be very careful for the next 2 years.
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You received a fine, which is a penal measure. Now, as you were more than 15 km/h over the limit in a built-up area, you are facing an administrative measure as well.

If this is your first offence, you should get away with a warning (see table here: https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/). If this is the case, if I were you, I would not respond to the letter, just take the warning and be very careful for the next 2 years.
Thank you for your words, Greg. Weird thing is that *same* camera caught me speeding 3 times in a row within a month: first at 2km over, second at 4km over and that last was 16 over. This is after 8 years of clean record (with the exception of two parking fines paid same day and one red light again, paid as soon as notified). And, no offences since the September escalating fines. So, to my mind I am no repeat offender, less than one minor penalty per year but not sure if my record will read as it sounds in my head

Debating in my head what would send the right "eating humble pie" message across, shut up and keep my head down, or send a letter apologising?
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Old 17.02.2015, 21:43
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

The good news is, that (normally) within a six month timeframe, you do have the option as to when to surrender your licence to begin your ban.
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Thank you for your words, Greg. Weird thing is that *same* camera caught me speeding 3 times in a row within a month: first at 2km over, second at 4km over and that last was 16 over. This is after 8 years of clean record (with the exception of two parking fines paid same day and one red light again, paid as soon as notified). And, no offences since the September escalating fines. So, to my mind I am no repeat offender, less than one minor penalty per year but not sure if my record will read as it sounds in my head

Debating in my head what would send the right "eating humble pie" message across, shut up and keep my head down, or send a letter apologising?
The other offences will not be taken into consideration for the administrative measure as they were minor. You should still only get a warning.
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Old 17.02.2015, 22:56
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Thank you for your words, Greg. Weird thing is that *same* camera caught me speeding 3 times in a row within a month: first at 2km over, second at 4km over and that last was 16 over. This is after 8 years of clean record (with the exception of two parking fines paid same day and one red light again, paid as soon as notified). And, no offences since the September escalating fines. So, to my mind I am no repeat offender, less than one minor penalty per year but not sure if my record will read as it sounds in my head

Debating in my head what would send the right "eating humble pie" message across, shut up and keep my head down, or send a letter apologising?
Usually for minor speeding offences you do not have to supply the driver's name. I assume this rule applied to the "first at 2km over" and "second at 4km over", oder?
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Old 18.02.2015, 09:42
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Usually for minor speeding offences you do not have to supply the driver's name. I assume this rule applied to the "first at 2km over" and "second at 4km over", oder?
You are both correct - this is the first infraction where I had to supply name of driver (or rather, not supply it, admitting it was me). I take it we are now in consensus that it is better to just wait for the probation warning letter next. Anyone know if the probation in canton GE is 3 years or 10 years?
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Old 18.02.2015, 09:57
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You are both correct - this is the first infraction where I had to supply name of driver (or rather, not supply it, admitting it was me). I take it we are now in consensus that it is better to just wait for the probation warning letter next. Anyone know if the probation in canton GE is 3 years or 10 years?
Unless Geneva is different from other cantons the probation period is two years. If you commit another 'serious' infraction within that time your licence will be suspended.

All you need to do for the moment is sit back and wait for the letter concerning the probation period to come in the post. ( by recorded delivery I believe)
A couple of years of translating speeding fines etc for my OH's boss have given me plenty of insight into the way the system works here.
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Old 18.02.2015, 18:50
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

I got one of those letters as well, didn't respond to it on the basis that I was pulled over by plod at the time, but when all said and done there was nothing I could say in mitigation.

Got a letter about 3 weeks later saying that they were going to deal with by means of a warning and 2 years probation and that I had 30 days to contest the decision after I which I would get the official notification of being on probation plus an invoice for 200CHF for the privilege of being on probation. From what I've heard the probation doesn't start until you get that final letter with the request for funds.

so for me the timescale has been offence beginning September 2014, fine came through about 3 weeks later. Notification that it was a serious offence from home canton start of December, notification of warning/probation end of December .... still waiting for the letter with request for funds!
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So, what is your tip on this one: write back a one-pager saying "sorry, was rushing back to work after gyn visit with wife, two kids, good taxpayer, etc" or just brace and lay low?

This is totaly irrelvant and will probably harm your case; when we get caught speeding we all try to find mitigating circumstances, they are nearly always bull shit.

Speeding back to work from the gym.........??? Is it worth killing some kid who runs out on the road for this ?

Good taxpayer, you've just become even m ore lucrative to them by paying the fine, who cares anyway, tax is one thing difficult to avoid paying.

A good reason maybe, i picked a guy up in the street who had massive heart attack and i was taking him to doctor/hospital, this may rub the judge the right way but best it's true rather than having embarassing situation of judge checking with hospital.

Public transport is excellent here, plenty of taxis or friends for emergencies.

If this was first offence with your number at this camera it woiuld be more helpful but you already have had pictures taken of your number plates at +8 and + 10kmh (they kindly deduct 6) so my guess is minimum 1 month ban.

You can chose when you hand in your license though.

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Old 18.02.2015, 21:56
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

@Today_only, could not agree more on the justification part and all... Putting everyone at risk just 'cause cannot be excused with anything, even attempting to save a single life in the car. This is what ambulances are for. Nodding here in agreement... just keeping fingers crossed that you are wrong on the driving license being at risk.

Earlier fellow members quite rightly pointed that prior offences were a-la-carte and did not require the driver to be identified. So, why would they all count towards my current infringement? Plates are the same but driver on record is a different thing, and the license is personal rather than vehicle-associated, imho.

Oh dear, how I hope you are wrong on this one despite you being right most of the time, so secretly cringing on the inside... Next few weeks of waiting will be torture. Ugh.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

defcon3 - Since I was right about Christmas (sorry about that!) I think I won't make any predictions this time. Just fingers crossed it's not a long suspension or big fee for same.
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defcon3 - Since I was right about Christmas (sorry about that!) I think I won't make any predictions this time. Just fingers crossed it's not a long suspension or big fee for same.
Nothing to apologize for - or is there? Did you send me this nasty letter back in December? Heeeeeeey, wait a minute... why was the pink slip holding your banking details as receiver of the fees

At this point I'm with you - fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
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If this was first offence with your number at this camera it woiuld be more helpful but you already have had pictures taken of your number plates at +8 and + 10kmh (they kindly deduct 6) so my guess is minimum 1 month ban.
He said gyn ( as in gynaecologist) not gym! not that that's any excuse for speeding though unless his wife was about to give birth in the car.

I disagree about the second part. Unless they have asked for the driver details the first two offences won't be taken into account here. Just because it was the same number plate doesn't mean it was the same driver.
Those two offences were minor and would not be recorded so are irrelevant here.
Defcom will know from the fines exactly what speed he was doing on those two occasions and how much was deducted. It's not always 6km/hr.

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@Today_only, could not agree more on the justification part and all... Putting everyone at risk just 'cause cannot be excused with anything, even attempting to save a single life in the car. This is what ambulances are for. Nodding here in agreement... just keeping fingers crossed that you are wrong on the driving license being at risk.

Earlier fellow members quite rightly pointed that prior offences were a-la-carte and did not require the driver to be identified. So, why would they all count towards my current infringement? Plates are the same but driver on record is a different thing, and the license is personal rather than vehicle-associated, imho.

Oh dear, how I hope you are wrong on this one despite you being right most of the time, so secretly cringing on the inside... Next few weeks of waiting will be torture. Ugh.
I'm pretty sure that he's wrong on this. One recordable offence of speeding will not normally result in a license suspension unless there are other factors involved. ( driving dangerously etc). The speed you were recorded at is not high enough on its own to warrant a ban.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

The letter is in and @Belgianmum wins (while I'm dancing the happy dance): 2 page letter, along the lines of "first time offender, no priors, no objections, lowest penalty on the menu - noted in the register". What surprised me is that it will stay there for 5 years before it automatically expires or if I am stupid to speed again and I am whipped into submission: whichever comes first. Cherry on the cake asked for CHF 125.-- in admin fees, the grand finale of this shakedown.

It hurts the wallet and did give me quite a scare - and deservedly so: 21km/h above the limit is too much, regardless of the car you have, how good of a driver one thinks is or tons of other irrelevant stuff. It also is a bright reminder each time I am on the road and consider stretching the rules. I don't. And I think the roads are safer this way. Now - about those French cars crossing the border each day, driving like the Genghiz Khan army on a break... Anyone willing to sign a petition for automated rail guns replacing speed traps?

(note to Captain Obvious - it's dark sarcasm, of course I'd rather get a letter than a few bullets in the windshield)
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Different admin fees for different Cantons I guess. Is it no speeding or only reportable speeding?? my letter basically said that I could still get hit with CHF40 tickets without losing my license, I guess they didn't want to lose a lucrative revenue source
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Different admin fees for different Cantons I guess. Is it no speeding or only reportable speeding?? my letter basically said that I could still get hit with CHF40 tickets without losing my license, I guess they didn't want to lose a lucrative revenue source
Other infractions which are not a-la-carte punishable... so basically, safe from the occasional +5km/h thingies but walking boots if I do +16km/h again in the coming 5 years...
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

A good friend recently got caught on camera, 80 km/h (after reduction) on a 60 km/h road in Zurich.

Got a 400 CHF fine + 350 CHF admin fee, 2 year warning and another 250 CHF for the privilege of being in the criminal offense register.

I guess he was lucky it was not 1 km/h more...
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Yesterday, first nice day of the 2015 motor biking season. Guess who is out too:

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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

I've heard more than once that now even German police can apply Swiss fines to Swiss resident drivers that get caught in Germany. Is that true and if so, what is exactly the process? Can anyone point me to any official street law or web site?
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I've heard more than once that now even German police can apply Swiss fines to Swiss resident drivers that get caught in Germany. Is that true and if so, what is exactly the process? Can anyone point me to any official street law or web site?
I can not link to something that does not exist. For any thing else that actually exists in Switzerland regarding speeding see first post in this thread.
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