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starmir 09.03.2015 12:54

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2354802)
Yesterday, first nice day of the 2015 motor biking season. Guess who is out too:

(Not me)

Yes there are sometimes speed traps in Berg am irchel and the road leading to the (bikers paradise) small mountain pass that goes to Robas.

But to be fair, I think it is right since, there are no guard rails on that road (the mountain one) and the farmer where the bike was stopped often has to get his cows across the road to the other fields, not to mention the horse place they go riding on the road. There is also those bicylists who molt into lycra when the sun comes out.

I have given up 40 francs too once, and since then I have been good :msntongue:

Cata1yst 09.03.2015 13:18

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by dajegas (Post 2354810)
I've heard more than once that now even German police can apply Swiss fines to Swiss resident drivers that get caught in Germany. Is that true and if so, what is exactly the process? Can anyone point me to any official street law or web site?

Not that I know of.

Previously from experience the fine can only be levied by the country where the offence occurred, i.e. Germany speeding offence, German fine

Complete bans/license loss by the Swiss who then charge you for the paperwork. (In addition to any foreign ban)

It's somewhere in the CH > FR/IT/DE agreement on traffic offences document.

https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/e...en/bussen.html

Seems I picked the wrong country to floor it, I was caught in FR. Still lesson learnt

paulofea 17.04.2015 19:05

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
Hello Friends, so, was driving at 77 KMH (after 5 KMH deduction for fix radar) on a 50 KMH zone....just spaced out for a moment and just not realized the speed...and was flashed! Was really surprised on how harsh the penalties are.

So, red a lot about it, and it looks I can have my driver license taken away for at least 3 months, and have "20 fine days" fine. But my main question is: The law text says that eventually this kind of offense can lead to Jail time (as it is a Serious Offense). Anyone went through the same situation? Is there really a possibilty of going to jail for 27 KmH over the limit?

Guest 17.04.2015 19:13

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by paulofea (Post 2376362)
But my main question is: The law text says that eventually this kind of offense can lead to Jail time (as it is a Serious Offense). Anyone went through the same situation? Is there really a possibilty of going to jail for 27 KmH over the limit?

Best guess - chf1500 fine and a three month ban. I think jail is only going to happen for stupid amounts over and/or several repeat offenses.

AbFab 17.04.2015 19:23

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by paulofea (Post 2376362)
Hello Friends, so, was driving at 77 KMH (after 5 KMH deduction for fix radar) on a 50 KMH zone....just spaced out for a moment and just not realized the speed...and was flashed! Was really surprised on how harsh the penalties are.

So, red a lot about it, and it looks I can have my driver license taken away for at least 3 months, and have "20 fine days" fine. But my main question is: The law text says that eventually this kind of offense can lead to Jail time (as it is a Serious Offense). Anyone went through the same situation? Is there really a possibilty of going to jail for 27 KmH over the limit?

Location: Key Biscayne??

paulofea 17.04.2015 19:44

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opssss....have to change that, I moved from Key Biscayne to Geneva last year. Really enjoying the experience...but for this incident that is really bugging me....

TiMow 17.04.2015 20:38

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Originally Posted by paulofea (Post 2376379)
opssss....have to change that, I moved from Key Biscayne to Geneva last year. Really enjoying the experience...but for this incident that is really bugging me....




Yep, know the feeling .... I'm also living in the land of uncertainty.

I was travelling back from DE, crossing at Basel on the autobahn.
Had cleared the 60 limit and was in the covered 80 limit section, when two red, overhead flashes momentarily blinded me.

It had been a long day, and it was the twilight time between light and dark, so I wasn't travelling fast - even under 80 at times, when I looked (although I was keeping my gaze mainly on the road and not the speedo) and was going the same speed as everything in front of me (who were not getting flashed).

A car was overtaking me on my left (going faster than me, but not excessively), at the time of the flashes. Is it possible that he was straddling the white line and in both lanes at the time of the flashes, and triggered them both? (I don't mean by a lot - maybe just a wheel).

If so, would this show in the photos? Is it even assessed by a human, or is it all now automated?

Otherwise, for Basler dwellers, does the covered section of the autobahn (travelling south), suddenly drop back to 60 at any point, and I missed it?

marton 17.04.2015 20:56

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by paulofea (Post 2376362)
Hello Friends, so, was driving at 77 KMH (after 5 KMH deduction for fix radar) on a 50 KMH zone....just spaced out for a moment and just not realized the speed...and was flashed! Was really surprised on how harsh the penalties are.

So, red a lot about it, and it looks I can have my driver license taken away for at least 3 months, and have "20 fine days" fine. But my main question is: The law text says that eventually this kind of offense can lead to Jail time (as it is a Serious Offense). Anyone went through the same situation? Is there really a possibilty of going to jail for 27 KmH over the limit?

Jail time unlikely for a first offence: unless you have a string of them.
Shame that a short lack of attention can make one a criminal; there but for the grace of God....

Last week I was in a 60 zone, saw the end speed limit signs, gave gas and past the signs at an unwise speed - incredible how quickly modern cars can gain speed :eek:

Mostly I drive on the cruise control but even that is not infallible :msnblush:

paulofea 18.04.2015 13:49

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
thanks guys for the answers, I will let you know when I receive the mail....

Papa Goose 18.04.2015 16:03

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
Last year I got flashed last summer and had 66 after deduction in a 50. I knew the road well and it was a mobile camera... simple branfart and didn't slow down on a quiet country road when the limit changed, and the camera was in a buss shelter! Anyhow... the total to the rozzers was CHF 620. which was CHF 290 busse or 3 days in jail, CHF 330 Gebürhen, and a further CHF 250 fine from the Strassenverkehrsamt putting me on probation for 2 years, and warning any serious transgression was an auto ban and further fines or imprisonment.

donpiedro 24.04.2015 13:27

New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
Ouch....

:msnshock:


http://lenews.ch/2015/04/23/new-swiss-driving-rules-could-have-you-locked-up-and-deported/?utm_source=Le+News+Subscribers&utm_campaign=9150b 408ec-This+week+24+April&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_413 46b4a72-9150b408ec-156436745

newtoswitz 24.04.2015 15:06

Re: New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
None of these seem unreasonable to me - I'd be quite comfortable with someone doing double the speed limit being locked up (particularly if a repeat offender), putting in place measures to stop persistent drink drivers and retesting people who haven't taken a test for 50 years.

Also I notice the limits are always one full "level" apart - i.e. it's not like you'd go from a 100 to a 50 and forget to slow down, there'd be an 80 in between. Same for 80 - 30, there'd be a 50 first.

st2lemans 24.04.2015 15:23

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I can't imagine that it's a coincidence that speed limits were introduced at the same time as women got the vote. :eek:

Tom

dodgyken 24.04.2015 15:36

Re: New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2379870)
I can't imagine that it's a coincidence that speed limits were introduced at the same time as women got the vote. :eek:

Tom

I thought the same about Britain losing its Empire :eek::eek:

marton 24.04.2015 15:37

Re: New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 2379857)
None of these seem unreasonable to me - I'd be quite comfortable with someone doing double the speed limit being locked up (particularly if a repeat offender), putting in place measures to stop persistent drink drivers and retesting people who haven't taken a test for 50 years.

Also I notice the limits are always one full "level" apart - i.e. it's not like you'd go from a 100 to a 50 and forget to slow down, there'd be an 80 in between. Same for 80 - 30, there'd be a 50 first.

Better to be a banker, steal billions, no jail and you can afford to pay a driver :D

Guest 24.04.2015 16:20

Re: New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
Prison time for double the speed limit seems fair enough to me.

bigblue2 24.04.2015 16:25

Re: New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
I'd better stick to triple the limit then, just to be safe

where's my beer???

NotAllThere 24.04.2015 16:32

Re: New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2379878)
Better to be a banker, steal billions, no jail and you can afford to pay a driver :D

The obvious thing to do is make being a banker a criminal offence - then throw away the key.

AbFab 24.04.2015 17:34

Re: New Swiss driving rules that could have you locked up and deported
 
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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 2379857)
<snip>retesting people who haven't taken a test for 50 years.</snip>.

You'll be interested to know that my father in the UK never took a driving test. When he started driving you simply applied for a license.

He still drives on a daily basis at age 88 and has never had an accident other than scraping the garage door. It is quite tight!!

bigblue2 27.04.2015 09:42

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
just been flashed going around 80 in a 60 (they where sat right at the limit change) so I'm looking at 600 chuffs if I'm reading that table right?


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