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Old 27.04.2015, 09:46
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just been flashed going around 80 in a 60 (they where sat right at the limit change) so I'm looking at 600 chuffs if I'm reading that table right?
It really depends on the "gun" they were using. The one I received when you came over (paperwork received) they were using a laser - 3kmh allowance - clocked at 66 in 60 zone. (which wouldn't have come up on radar ). And it was in the Disco

I'd pray for an inaccurate speedo and it being radar.
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Old 27.04.2015, 09:50
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It really depends on the "gun" they were using. The one I received when you came over (paperwork received) they were using a laser - 3kmh allowance - clocked at 66 in 60 zone. (which wouldn't have come up on radar ). And it was in the Disco

I'd pray for an inaccurate speedo and it being radar.
all I know is there was a big red flash that blinded me for a second they where sat in a private house's drive as far as I can tell.

Was in the mustang so the main speedo is in MPH, so no real idea how fast I was going tbh, it looked about 80kph but the kph scales is so bloody small compared to the mph scale
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Old 27.04.2015, 09:54
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

also, does anyone know if military police can catch members on the public? the army are doing there thing near us again and usually setup to catch the squaddies racing there trucks and tanks up and down the mountain, this could very well have been military police, I had just overtaken a couple of army boys (bloody glad the camera wasn't set up a bit further up the mountain)
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Serious Speeding - no prison, but no driving in Switzerland for 3 months?

My turn ... I spend almost all of my time on cruise control at the legal limit, but driving across the franco-swiss border at 10 at night, one car every 10 seconds, autoroute, I just drove as fast as I could. And got what I deserved (?) 85 real reduced to 80 in a 40 zone . My german is not good enough to calculate just how bad the damage is... At least a 40km/h limit falls in the same group as 50km/h and not 30.

Seems like I'm looking at 3 months salary as a fine & no driving in Switzerland either. Any more informed estimates?

Is it worth getting a lawyer? I can't think of any mitigating circumstances .

All thoughts welcome and estimates welcome.
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Old 20.06.2015, 13:10
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My turn ... I spend almost all of my time on cruise control at the legal limit, but driving across the franco-swiss border at 10 at night, one car every 10 seconds, autoroute, I just drove as fast as I could. And got what I deserved (?) 85 real reduced to 80 in a 40 zone . My german is not good enough to calculate just how bad the damage is... At least a 40km/h limit falls in the same group as 50km/h and not 30.

Seems like I'm looking at 3 months salary as a fine & no driving in Switzerland either. Any more informed estimates?

Is it worth getting a lawyer? I can't think of any mitigating circumstances .

All thoughts welcome and estimates welcome.
To clarify: you were on a Swiss autobahn with a 40kph speed limit? Also were you flashed or stopped??
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Old 20.06.2015, 13:31
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To clarify: you were on a Swiss autobahn with a 40kph speed limit? Also were you flashed or stopped??
Well, it's autobahn on both side of the border - no pedstrians, no bicycles. The 40 limit is just before the customs post. I was not stopped, so some vicious policeman with a radar gun decided that 10 o'clock on a weekday evening was an ideal time to catch a few idiots - good call!
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Old 20.06.2015, 13:49
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Well, it's autobahn on both side of the border - no pedstrians, no bicycles. The 40 limit is just before the customs post. I was not stopped, so some vicious policeman with a radar gun decided that 10 o'clock on a weekday evening was an ideal time to catch a few idiots - good call!
I've seen what I thought at the time was a fixed camera at the autoroute crossing from France into Geneva at Bardonnex. Bloody annoying, as it's really not necessary to go as slow as they suggest. At the Basel==>France crossing they have a radar with a display and a '-n Points' message, where the limit has come down to 10kph; it's rare to see it registering less than 20kph.
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Old 20.06.2015, 13:51
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My turn ... I spend almost all of my time on cruise control at the legal limit, but driving across the franco-swiss border at 10 at night, one car every 10 seconds, autoroute, I just drove as fast as I could. And got what I deserved (?) 85 real reduced to 80 in a 40 zone . My german is not good enough to calculate just how bad the damage is... At least a 40km/h limit falls in the same group as 50km/h and not 30.

Seems like I'm looking at 3 months salary as a fine & no driving in Switzerland either. Any more informed estimates?

Is it worth getting a lawyer? I can't think of any mitigating circumstances .

All thoughts welcome and estimates welcome.
Very sorry to hear that.

On a related topic, many customs posts have speed limit signs before them but often it is not clear where the limit finishes? Most people give gas after passing the "hut" but maybe that is not a good idea.
Also if there is a speed limit sign on the French sign is that still valid once you are over the border in Switzerland?
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Old 20.06.2015, 15:50
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I've seen what I thought at the time was a fixed camera at the autoroute crossing from France into Geneva at Bardonnex. Bloody annoying, as it's really not necessary to go as slow as they suggest.
Indeed, I know that one very well. I believe it is the most profitable speed camera in France. However, I almost always pass it at about 10km/h, due to the morning traffic jam.
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Old 20.06.2015, 19:54
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I've seen what I thought at the time was a fixed camera at the autoroute crossing from France into Geneva at Bardonnex. Bloody annoying, as it's really not necessary to go as slow as they suggest. At the Basel==>France crossing they have a radar with a display and a '-n Points' message, where the limit has come down to 10kph; it's rare to see it registering less than 20kph.
But that radar is just for information no?
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Old 20.06.2015, 19:59
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But that radar is just for information no?
Yes, and it's a French one even though it's on the Swiss side of the crossing post. They have the same type in many French villages, and are in many ways a much more sensible approach to speed control. Although when that one first went up there were quite a few instances of panic braking from people who didn't realise it was only a warning.
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My turn ... I spend almost all of my time on cruise control at the legal limit, but driving across the franco-swiss border at 10 at night, one car every 10 seconds, autoroute, I just drove as fast as I could. And got what I deserved (?) 85 real reduced to 80 in a 40 zone . My german is not good enough to calculate just how bad the damage is... At least a 40km/h limit falls in the same group as 50km/h and not 30.

Seems like I'm looking at 3 months salary as a fine & no driving in Switzerland either. Any more informed estimates?

Is it worth getting a lawyer? I can't think of any mitigating circumstances .

All thoughts welcome and estimates welcome.
If its your first offence you might be ok. Two guys in our area (vevey / lausanne) have got clocked very high, 50kph over range. in the form that says "anything to say ?" they put honest answers - one was bringing his kids back from rugby, it was a deserted road, late at night, straight as an arrow and some bad news about his dad that day" and they were genuinely reasonable, he got 750 fine, bit of admin, and 3 months. The other bloke also put down his real circumstances, and got about the same. however in both cases they put in the letter "do that again, sonny jim, and we'll cut your johnson off". Sure enough, one of them did. same stretch, same speed the bloody idiot. And in sure swiss fashion they kept to their word: banned for 2 years, a fine that almost had to be displayed in hex and a lesson well and truly learned.

I think it will depend on whether youve done serious speeding before.
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Old 23.06.2015, 09:06
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If its your first offence you might be ok. Two guys in our area (vevey / lausanne) have got clocked very high, 50kph over range. in the form that says "anything to say ?" they put honest answers - one was bringing his kids back from rugby, it was a deserted road, late at night, straight as an arrow and some bad news about his dad that day" and they were genuinely reasonable, he got 750 fine, bit of admin, and 3 months. The other bloke also put down his real circumstances, and got about the same. however in both cases they put in the letter "do that again, sonny jim, and we'll cut your johnson off". Sure enough, one of them did. same stretch, same speed the bloody idiot. And in sure swiss fashion they kept to their word: banned for 2 years, a fine that almost had to be displayed in hex and a lesson well and truly learned.

I think it will depend on whether youve done serious speeding before.
That's a reassuring reply. Thanks! I'm basically a very safe, ego-free driver, with a safe, comfortable, economical car. So two minor speed tickets in 15 years on Swiss roads. I feel better.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

As I understand you: You still were on the autobahn. I.e. the autobahn signs have not been crossed out. Therefore I would argue that the law on autobahn applies no matter that the speed limit is 40 at that particular spot. Good luck.
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Old 24.06.2015, 02:16
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As I understand you: You still were on the autobahn. I.e. the autobahn signs have not been crossed out. Therefore I would argue that the law on autobahn applies no matter that the speed limit is 40 at that particular spot. Good luck.
The issue here is that the "Raser"-legislation with mandatory jail sentences for excessive speeding is not based on the type of road but on the speed limit on that road - unlike pretty much all other and preexisting rules.

See here: SVG Art. 90 (paragraph 3 and 4)

A fine example of crappy lawmaking.
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The issue here is that the "Raser"-legislation with mandatory jail sentences for excessive speeding is not based on the type of road but on the speed limit on that road - unlike pretty much all other and preexisting rules.

See here: SVG Art. 90 (paragraph 3 and 4)

A fine example of crappy lawmaking.
Well they do take into account the type of road in a way, since the allowed excess speed is higher for roads with higher limit, i.e. on 30km zone the "bad guy" limit is 40, on roads with a limit over 80km/h (i.e. highways and the like) the bad guy limit is 80.

IMHO in FrankZappa's case there is a chance they could apply the 1st paragraph depending on whether the judge (or whoever has to rule on this case) decides that there was a serious threat to safety or not. Good luck!
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Might be of interest to some.


I was caught speeding in Geneva in February of 2014. I was driving 139 km/h in a 100 km/h zone.


I admit, I was driving fast, let's leave it at that.


I received a notice in the post that I need to complete an "income assessment" whereby they evaluate my income and outgoings and then decide on the fine I will need to pay. I complied and completed the paperwork and returned it in the given time. By November 2014 I received a payment notice for CHG 265.00. At the time I thought this was the fine, turns out it was the administration charges.


February of 2015 I received the final fine to be paid, it was CHF 1570.00


Needless to say I will not be caught speeding again.
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February of 2015 I received the final fine to be paid, it was CHF 1570.00.
Holy @#$&£¥₩! You did not have to hand in your driver's license for a month?
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Following my recent excess speed at the Franco-Swiss border...

And the answer is....

Good news 1: no need to go to court.

Good news 2: no withdrawal of driving license

Bad news: Fine of 5,100 (five thousand one hundred) CHF

And 15,000 (fifteen thousand) CHF as a suspended sentence to pay if I am a bad boy again in the next 3 years .

We'll be holidaying in the Alps this year .

All donations welcome.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

FZ, what was the net km/h they measured and what was the tolerance they substracted?

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