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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

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Following my recent excess speed at the Franco-Swiss border...

And the answer is....

Good news 1: no need to go to court.

Good news 2: no withdrawal of driving license

Bad news: Fine of 5,100 (five thousand one hundred) CHF

And 15,000 (fifteen thousand) CHF as a suspended sentence to pay if I am a bad boy again in the next 3 years .

We'll be holidaying in the Alps this year .

All donations welcome.
Noble of you to share, best of luck for future driving adventures.
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Old 04.08.2015, 18:51
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FZ, what was the net km/h they measured and what was the tolerance they substracted?

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Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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Old 05.08.2015, 08:00
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Sure that's the correct link ???
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Old 05.08.2015, 08:07
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Sure that's the correct link ???
It looks like the correct link to me.

Looks as though FrankZappa actually got off quite lightly either that or his salary is very low. It's a pretty steep fine nevertheless ( although probably not actually three months salary)
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Old 05.08.2015, 08:43
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It looks like the correct link to me.

Looks as though FrankZappa actually got off quite lightly either that or his salary is very low. It's a pretty steep fine nevertheless ( although probably not actually three months salary)
Correct - altho' it doesn't feel *light*. The suspended sentence is the salary-related bit. What I have to pay now is the authorities' more arbitrary judgment of the just punishment. Or I could go to jail for a month. Come to think of it I have quite a bit of holiday to take ....
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It looks like the correct link to me.

Looks as though FrankZappa actually got off quite lightly either that or his salary is very low. It's a pretty steep fine nevertheless ( although probably not actually three months salary)
I have a post from 2005 with some woman ranting about pedestrian crossings then the post decends into an argument about racial slurs....
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Old 05.08.2015, 14:05
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My turn ... I spend almost all of my time on cruise control at the legal limit, but driving across the franco-swiss border at 10 at night, one car every 10 seconds, autoroute, I just drove as fast as I could. And got what I deserved (?) 85 real reduced to 80 in a 40 zone . My german is not good enough to calculate just how bad the damage is... At least a 40km/h limit falls in the same group as 50km/h and not 30.

Seems like I'm looking at 3 months salary as a fine & no driving in Switzerland either. Any more informed estimates?

Is it worth getting a lawyer? I can't think of any mitigating circumstances .

All thoughts welcome and estimates welcome.
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I have a post from 2005 with some woman ranting about pedestrian crossings then the post decends into an argument about racial slurs....
Well that's weird. The link leads me to the above post by FrankZappa highlighting his misdemeanour.
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Old 05.08.2015, 14:21
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I have a post from 2005 with some woman ranting about pedestrian crossings then the post decends into an argument about racial slurs....
Something weird with your browser cache, perhaps? Seems to be just you.

Oh, hang on, you use tapatalk, don't you? No idea then, but I suspect your problem is close to home.
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Old 05.08.2015, 15:12
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Re: Serious Speeding - The laws, the fines.

Ok thanks for the post quote. ... I get this http://www.englishforum.ch/showthread.php?p=110
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Old 15.08.2015, 17:01
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Following my recent excess speed at the Franco-Swiss border...

And the answer is....

Good news 1: no need to go to court.

Good news 2: no withdrawal of driving license

Bad news: Fine of 5,100 (five thousand one hundred) CHF

And 15,000 (fifteen thousand) CHF as a suspended sentence to pay if I am a bad boy again in the next 3 years .
Late news: back from that holiday in the Alps and there was another nasty grey envelope waiting for me. I will get that three month driving ban after all. Read the 1st letter too fast . It's a bit odd, the "ordinary" fine, driving ban and big earnings-related fine are treated separately. And don't forget the 165CHF handling charge for the driving ban. That seems very Swiss to me.

Fortunately, I already car share and I have found a second colleague as a back-up, so I should be fine.
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Old 15.08.2015, 17:09
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

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Late news: back from that holiday in the Alps and there was another nasty grey envelope waiting for me. I will get that three month driving ban after all. Read the 1st letter too fast . It's a bit odd, the "ordinary" fine, driving ban and big earnings-related fine are treated separately. And don't forget the 165CHF handling charge for the driving ban. That seems very Swiss to me.

Fortunately, I already car share and I have found a second colleague as a back-up, so I should be fine.

Hopefully you can choose the date of your ban so it will not be too inconvenient
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Old 15.08.2015, 22:28
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

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Late news: back from that holiday in the Alps and there was another nasty grey envelope waiting for me. I will get that three month driving ban after all. Read the 1st letter too fast . It's a bit odd, the "ordinary" fine, driving ban and big earnings-related fine are treated separately. And don't forget the 165CHF handling charge for the driving ban. That seems very Swiss to me.
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Administration meassures and fees:
Anything that cannot be handled with a simple fine may lead to at least a warning or if more serious to a license suspension. Art. 16 Abs 2 SVG.
Be prepared to get a second letter (witha a second bill) after you received the judges ruling. Because, decision if a warning/license suspension is issued is not made by the judge. This decision is made by the authority at the Strassenverkehrsamt / Service Auto of your residence Canton at a later stage based on the judges ruling and the specific circumstances of the case. There are certain minimum driving bans which can not be shorter by law and federal court rulings. But, the ban can also be longer than the minimum.
Edit original post to reflect this better.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

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Late news: back from that holiday in the Alps and there was another nasty grey envelope waiting for me. I will get that three month driving ban after all. Read the 1st letter too fast . It's a bit odd, the "ordinary" fine, driving ban and big earnings-related fine are treated separately. And don't forget the 165CHF handling charge for the driving ban. That seems very Swiss to me.

Fortunately, I already car share and I have found a second colleague as a back-up, so I should be fine.
Thank you for sharing your story which is very sobering. I think with the suspended part I would be driving no more than 30kph everywhere I went!

I am a trailing spouse so safe to say if this happened to me I would not be seeing any bedroom activities for quite a while

Anyway I use this to mentally slap myself when I am on the odd occasion tempted on the bike to be a tad flippant.
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Old 16.08.2015, 09:32
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Hopefully you can choose the date of your ban so it will not be too inconvenient
Most amusing - No! But it's from 7 Oct to 7 Jan, which is nice as it includes the Christmas break when I don't need to be in Switzerland.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Arse, I just got a letter in today, 1km/h over, ok they have to draw the line somewhere but I think being able to be done for 1km/h is pretty dumb. Setting a minimum you can be done for would make more sense to me, but boo hoo, it's only 40 chuffs, however I heartily resent the 48 charged by Herz on top of the fine.

I didn't realise the allowance was only 6%, the uk give you an allowance of 10% plus 3km/h
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Arse, I just got a letter in today, 1km/h over, ok they have to draw the line somewhere but I think being able to be done for 1km/h is pretty dumb. Setting a minimum you can be done for would make more sense to me, but boo hoo, it's only 40 chuffs, however I heartily resent the 48 charged by Herz on top of the fine.

I didn't realise the allowance was only 6%, the uk give you an allowance of 10% plus 3km/h
Well it wasn't really only 1km/h over though was it? You had the 6% allowance AND your speedo was showing more than measured.

I completely agree with the Hertz charge though.

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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

whatever the allowance there's always gonna be someone doing 1 km/h over the limit + allowance so... the surcharge that costs more than the fine is a joke though.
anyway for the allowance depends on the radar i read somewhere, laser pistol is only 3 km/h, while mobile classic radar 7 km/h, fixed 5 km/h.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

The surcharge remains the same, Chf 48.-- for "admin" even if you do 100kmh over the limit....So whislt it's a joke for 1kmh over, for 100kmh it's entirely reasonable.

Hertz are their to judge, which is what they would be doing if the "admin charge" was on a sliding scale
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Old 13.10.2015, 08:15
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Here's a novel idea, save lives & CHF by not speeding - flash or no flash
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Here's a novel idea, save lives & CHF by not speeding - flash or no flash
I want to THANK and GROAN your post. Speed itself doesn't kill - inappropriate speed is the problem. And there are too many people who will happily drive around the limit, never get flashed and yet drive dangerously.
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