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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

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christ a life ban, thats amazing. even after a 2 year ban, a life ban is amazing.
Why? The two year ban wasn't the first ban apparently so he is quite clearly a serial offender and they don't think he's capable of driving safely.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

My husband just received a fine for going 55 in a 50 zone. the cost - CHF240! 90 for speeding and 150 for 'Kosten and Gebührenpauschale' Unbelievable! I thought you could go up to 5 over, also I don't recall additional fees being tacked onto a speeding ticket for 2 kms over the limit
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Why? If they don't accept the responsibilities that come with the right to drive, they should lose that right before they kill someone.
I am surprised at the "whole life" tariff, which is what this is. Im not really bothered about the whole high-horsey "well he deserved it" stuff, im just commenting in genuine amaztement at the severity of the sentence.
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Why? The two year ban wasn't the first ban apparently so he is quite clearly a serial offender and they don't think he's capable of driving safely.

You can ban some people as much as you want, short of locking them up, it unfortunately does not hinder their ability to drive.

A licence is not actually any use when physically driving a car......
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

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Update on someone I know who was caught 50kmh over in an 80 zone (after deductions).
This is clearly a case of
"Because I can. Because avoiding a 90-120min queue into Geneva on Friday allowed me to straightline along the back roads - carrying plenty of speed through the corners and dispatching slower cars quickly and safely - all accompanied by the sound of rolling thunder. Despite the navi suggesting I was doing 2339kmh at one point I rarely got much above the limit.

The enjoyment though comes from hitting those speeds more rapidly, tackling corners at a higher speed and being the best sounding and looking car on the road "

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This is clearly a case of
"Because I can. Because avoiding a 90-120min queue into Geneva on Friday allowed me to straightline along the back roads - carrying plenty of speed through the corners and dispatching slower cars quickly and safely - all accompanied by the sound of rolling thunder. Despite the navi suggesting I was doing 2339kmh at one point I rarely got much above the limit.

The enjoyment though comes from hitting those speeds more rapidly, tackling corners at a higher speed and being the best sounding and looking car on the road "
You don't think it might not be the case at all??
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I am surprised at the "whole life" tariff, which is what this is. Im not really bothered about the whole high-horsey "well he deserved it" stuff, im just commenting in genuine amaztement at the severity of the sentence.
It's 'whole life' like a 'life sentence' in the UK.

Once he's rehabilitated and recognises/admits the errors of his ways and takes another driving test, he's free to join the pack again.

In essence, it's a 5.5 year ban.
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Old 10.11.2015, 11:49
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In essence, it's a 5.5 year ban.
Minimum - yes.

The problem is that the psychological evaluation - he'll have to convince someone appointed by the STVA (who will have seen many such people) that he is reformed and addressed the reasons why his driving pattern hadn't changed before. I suspect passing that evaluation is quite a challenge and not one you can blag your way through.

I haven't asked the question "How many low level speeding tickets have you picked up?"
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Minimum - yes.

The problem is that the psychological evaluation - he'll have to convince someone appointed by the STVA (who will have seen many such people) that he is reformed and addressed the reasons why his driving pattern hadn't changed before. I suspect passing that evaluation is quite a challenge and not one you can blag your way through.

I haven't asked the question "How many low level speeding tickets have you picked up?"
How old is he by the way?
We may as well start the psychological evaluation in this thread.
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Old 10.11.2015, 11:58
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I am surprised at the "whole life" tariff, which is what this is. Im not really bothered about the whole high-horsey "well he deserved it" stuff, im just commenting in genuine amaztement at the severity of the sentence.
I don't think it's "high horsey" to expect people to follow the rules when they drive on the roads we have to share with them, since this clearly isn't a case of a mistake or misunderstanding when they've already been banned multiple times.

But what would you suggest is a reasonable penalty that wouldn't be amazing to you?
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I don't think it's "high horsey" to expect people to follow the rules when they drive on the roads we have to share with them, since this clearly isn't a case of a mistake or misunderstanding when they've already been banned multiple times.

But what would you suggest is a reasonable penalty that wouldn't be amazing to you?
I think you may be misreading things. "Amazed" in no way implies that the speaker thinks the sentence is too harsh. I'm amazed as well, as I've never heard of such a thing happening before.
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I don't think it's "high horsey" to expect people to follow the rules when they drive on the roads we have to share with them, since this clearly isn't a case of a mistake or misunderstanding when they've already been banned multiple times.

But what would you suggest is a reasonable penalty that wouldn't be amazing to you?
5 years is the sort of thing I would perhaps have expected. Ive never come across a life ban before, even for horrific driving which makes national news. they get some years banned, but life - i mean will he drive when he is 70 like he does when he's 20 ? I doubt it.
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5 years is the sort of thing I would perhaps have expected. Ive never come across a life ban before, even for horrific driving which makes national news. they get some years banned, but life - i mean will he drive when he is 70 like he does when he's 20 ? I doubt it.
If you murder somebody here in Switzerland then you are out of jail in 10 to 15 years; obviously less serious than speeding
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If you murder somebody here in Switzerland then you are out of jail in 10 to 15 years; obviously less serious than speeding
He's not going to prison, only getting banned.

As others have said, the roads will be a safer place with him off them.
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He's not going to prison, only getting banned.

As others have said, the roads will be a safer place with him off them.
Will they be safer when he is 70 ?
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Will they be safer when he is 70 ?
Well if he's 68 today, then yes.

But anyway, his driving future is in his hands (just not the next 5 years of it).

If he's a nutter, why should he get his license back automatically?

This system of re-evaluation seems very reasonable.
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He's not going to prison, only getting banned.

As others have said, the roads will be a safer place with him off them.
The police took the licence on the spot. This is the STVA's response. There will be a fine in due course - minimum 120 days (either prison or salary). In Kanton Zurich a minimum daily wage is calculated as 80chf.

As I said before, this is the tip of the iceberg. I am merely relaying the information so people are aware of the seriousness of multiple bans.
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Old 10.11.2015, 13:21
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He's not going to prison, only getting banned.

As others have said, the roads will be a safer place with him off them.

I was comparing timescales.


About "the roads will be a safer place with him off them."
Is there any evidence he was driving unsafely; for example, driving 50Km over the limit at night on a deserted autobahn maybe illegal but does not have to be unsafe?
Speed is not necessarily unsafe. Unlimited German autobahns have better safety records than US freeways with heavy limits.


Are the roads now relatively safer than with released murderers roaming free
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Well if he's 68 today, then yes.

But anyway, his driving future is in his hands (just not the next 5 years of it).

If he's a nutter, why should he get his license back automatically?

This system of re-evaluation seems very reasonable.



Well if he is keen to drive he just has to move to another country, preferably before the fine arrives


About "This system of re-evaluation seems very reasonable" The principle seems reasonable; I do not know enough about how it works in practice to say if the system is reasonable!
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Speed is not necessarily unsafe. Unlimited German autobahns have better safety records than US freeways with heavy limits.
A more valid question is whether German/US motorways are proportionally more or less safe than non-motorways? IE understanding whether there are lower overall driving standards or not.

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Well if he is keen to drive he just has to move to another country, preferably before the fine arrives
STVA already has his licence - fine or no fine the ban stands.
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