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Old 03.12.2015, 08:52
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Oh, look. A French person got caught speeding in Switzerland, got a big fine, and made the front page of the newspaper.

Seriously, if this was an idiot from Paris, I could understand the complaints. But who lives along the border as a frontalier and doesn't know about speeding penalties in Switzerland?

http://www.lalsace.fr/actualite/2015...raction-legere
Must be a dry spell for the journos - 780 chuffs in total for driving 71 (-3) kph in a 50 zone is hardly exceptional.
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Must be a dry spell for the journos - 780 chuffs in total for driving 71 (-3) kph in a 50 zone is hardly exceptional.
It's a cultural thing: Here in France, where we have the constitutional right to drive around like headless chickens, it seems outrageous.
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It's a cultural thing: Here in France, where we have the constitutional right to drive around like headless chickens, it seems outrageous.
CHF 780 for 18 over is outrageous no matter where you look at it from.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

In karmic response to my schadenfreude at the fast-moving Frenchman, I received yesterday a little CHF40- present from the BS police for 2km/h over the limit.
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Old 04.12.2015, 10:26
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18 over is outrageous no matter where you look at it from.
Ftfy.

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Getting caught doing 18 over is outrageous no matter where you look at it from.
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Old 04.12.2015, 10:33
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CHF 780 for 18 over is outrageous no matter where you look at it from.
As an habitual speeder myself I tend to agree, but outrage would imply that this were in some way exceptional, surprising, unexpected or unusual.

Which it isn't.
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As an habitual speeder myself I tend to agree, but outrage would imply that this were in some way exceptional, surprising, unexpected or unusual.

Which it isn't.
I do try to stick to the limit within reason, doing 71 in a 50 limit makes the guy 42% over the actual limit. Take off the 3kph allowance, it is still 36% over which is a lot in a 50 limit, but would be worse on the highway. It would be expensive to get caught with +36% on the highway, makes it about 162kmh which is big bucks and a walking holiday
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

I do not see the issue: Speeding in Switzerland can save you a lot of money:

Going 1km/h to 10km/h over (after allowance, inside city limits) is just CHF 40 or CHF 120 en Suisse compared to 135 + 1 point la France.

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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Good evening all,

I've read back through the thread but struggling to make head or tail of all the figures. Was driving an Italian rental car from Locarno back to Milan this evening (am now back in London) however there was rather severe traffic on the A2. Foolishly, in an attempt to make my flight on time I went slightly over the speed limit. It's a 100km/h or 130km/h limit normally (happy to be told otherwise on this) however 80km/h was indicated on the roadside (annoyingly I was paying attention to my satnav). My girlfriend believes I was doing 103km/h at the time as the works were ending and I sped out of them.

Anyway, the upshot is that I was doing approx 103km/h in an 80km/h zone. Just trying to gather for you folks what we might be expecting in the way of repercussions from the Swiss police?

Also, the 2 red lights, while they might be replacement for white lights, are still blinding!

Any help or advice you can give would be appreciated.
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Good evening all,

I've read back through the thread but struggling to make head or tail of all the figures. Was driving an Italian rental car from Locarno back to Milan this evening (am now back in London) however there was rather severe traffic on the A2. Foolishly, in an attempt to make my flight on time I went slightly over the speed limit. It's a 100km/h or 130km/h limit normally (happy to be told otherwise on this) however 80km/h was indicated on the roadside (annoyingly I was paying attention to my satnav). My girlfriend believes I was doing 103km/h at the time as the works were ending and I sped out of them.

Anyway, the upshot is that I was doing approx 103km/h in an 80km/h zone. Just trying to gather for you folks what we might be expecting in the way of repercussions from the Swiss police?

Also, the 2 red lights, while they might be replacement for white lights, are still blinding!

Any help or advice you can give would be appreciated.
Your recorded speed will be reduced by a "safety margin" which should bring it down within the range 16-20 km/h over the limit. On an autobahn, that means a fine of CHF 180. If you're very lucky and your hire car's speedo over-read a bit more than usual, and after the safety margin deduction your speed comes out at 95 km/h or less, your fine will be CHF 120. If you're very unlucky and your girlfriend got your speed wrong, so that even after the safety margin deduction you get hit for 101-105 km/h, you will be invited to contribute CHF 260 to your new favourite canton's coffers. Any speed higher than 105 km/h invokes the "if you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it" clause.

There's the possibility of a further fee from the Italian authorities if they get involved in passing the fine on to the rental car company (I'm not sure if they do this in Italy. It's foreign over there; I usually stick to Germany or France). In addition, your car rental company is well within their rights to add a processing fee for transferring the fine to you (or may even deduct the fine, plus fee, from your credit card).

You won't lose any points or impact your UK licence at all.

Do pay the fine on time, otherwise there is the (slight) possibility of significant issues next time you visit Switzerland.

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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Having read the thread I was actually looking forward to a 600CHF hit and from what little horror stories I knew prior - something in the four figure region.

Will post again once I know more, thanks for the quick response, certainly put my mind at ease (at least slightly).
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Having read the thread I was actually looking forward to a 600CHF hit and from what little horror stories I knew prior - something in the four figure region.

Will post again once I know more, thanks for the quick response, certainly put my mind at ease (at least slightly).
If you must speed in Switzerland, autobahns are the place to do it. If you'd exceeded the speed limit within a town by 21 km/h (a similar margin to your offence), then you'd be making a CHF 600 donation.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

If we are talking about more than 105 km/h then are we looking at the 400 or 600 fines or does that push it into income related fines?

Apologies for all the questions!
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If we are talking about more than 105 km/h then are we looking at the 400 or 600 fines or does that push it into income related fines?

Apologies for all the questions!
Applying all the parameters of your particular case:

Speed.............Fine

.91- 95 km/h...CHF 120
.96-100 km/h...CHF 180
101-105 km/h..CHF 260
106-110 km/h..CHF 400
111-114 km/h..CHF 600
115-119 km/h..20 days' salary (sort of)
120-124 km/h..30 days' salary
125-129 km/h..50 days' salary
130-134 km/h..60 days' salary
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from 160 km/h..from one year's imprisonment

... where the speeds noted above are the recorded speed less safety margin.

You'll be fine.
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It's a 100km/h or 130km/h limit normally (happy to be told otherwise on this)
Just to pick up on this - unless specifically signed lower, autoroutes are 120kph limits, not 130.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

Are there any special conditions if you are flashed/fined on a motorway building zone, like in the UK I believe?

I was flashed going around 95 in a 80 road works zone on the last day of the year. I am not clear that I could been flashed twice because of the moving truck/car traffic mostly on the inner lane. It was canton Graubunden.

I wait for my fine in the post and share the experience (can't be as bad as a pink vignette )
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Are there any special conditions if you are flashed/fined on a motorway building zone, like in the UK I believe?

I was flashed going around 95 in a 80 road works zone on the last day of the year. I am not clear that I could been flashed twice because of the moving truck/car traffic mostly on the inner lane. It was canton Graubunden.

I wait for my fine in the post and share the experience (can't be as bad as a pink vignette )
Probably will get 4-5 taken of for accuracy tolerance, from memory expect a fine of CHF 240 for being 10 over.
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Probably will get 4-5 taken of for accuracy tolerance, from memory expect a fine of CHF 240 for being 10 over.
Bear in mind that speedos tend to over-read, in fact by law must read at least the actual speed (so manufacturers usually add their own safety margin to be on the safe side). Therefore if the driver's speedo read 95, it's likely that his actual speed was more like 86-90 km/h. The "safety margin" deducted from the speed camera's margin may result in a similar reading -- 86-90 -- or if you're lucky, even lower (if the speed camera was reading accurately in the first place).

10 km/h over the limit on the Autobahn is a bargain, the fine is only CHF 60 (CHF 120 if the margin is 11-15 km/h), even if roadworks are present. By that I mean of course 10 km/h over the revised speed limit of 80 km/h, not 10 km/h over the usual limit of 120 km/h! Or in other words, to answer the original question, no, there are no special conditions for speeding past roadworks on an Autobahn -- apart from the fact that the speed limit is reduced. (No double fines and obviously no double points, unlike in many other countries.)
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Greetings all...

I have a simple request.

Does anyone know of a good (if there is such a thing - reasonably priced) Lawyer based in Zurich that speaks good English? Someone who is well versed in all things posted on this thread?

If known, please PM me the details.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks...
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