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Old 10.08.2016, 12:49
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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Quick question..

When you get flashed by one of those grey, mobile, red eye style road camera's I assume they photograph you twice i.e. first front but then a rear to be safe.

I drive a motorbike so I am really just clutching at straws that I just saw the front flash.

In a way I deserve nothing less as I even posted on this thread a while back when I saw somebody post a huge fine that I needed to sometimes reign myself especially on the quiet country roads

If anybody has the link again to how much you can expect for scary over in an 80 would be good.

Time to cry and be very scared.
Just to cheer you up I had a colleague who was flashed on a bike from the front.

The police identified the model, of which there were not so many, then invited him to the station to compare him to the photo. 3 month ban based on the identified speed
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

I had a similar letter.. if called for an interview you are allowed to lie and not provide any assistance. A mirrored/dark visor or balaclava is useful
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Just to cheer you up I had a colleague who was flashed on a bike from the front.

The police identified the model, of which there were not so many, then invited him to the station to compare him to the photo. 3 month ban based on the identified speed
Reminds me of the story about the naked biker in Germany
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I had a similar letter.. if called for an interview you are allowed to lie and not provide any assistance. A mirrored/dark visor or balaclava is useful
Give me one country in which you are legally allowed to lie to the police. Just one.

It doesn't matter who drove, by default the holder is the culprit. Thus the important thing is to identify the vehicle.

baba, google "bussenkatalog schweiz".
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Old 10.08.2016, 13:24
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Give me one country in which you are legally allowed to lie to the police. Just one.
Switzerland.
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Give me one country in which you are legally allowed to lie to the police. Just one.

It doesn't matter who drove, by default the holder is the culprit. Thus the important thing is to identify the vehicle.

baba, google "bussenkatalog schweiz".
Easy.. Switzerland. The art number referred to in the interview request letter was checked by head of legal council who is a former cantonal authority prosecution lawyer, I guess he knows what he's talking about.
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It doesn't matter who drove, by default the holder is the culprit. Thus the important thing is to identify the vehicle.
That bit is wrong, too. By default, the driver is responsible for his/her own driving misdemeanours. Only if the driver cannot be identified is the responsibility transferred to the owner of the vehicle -- if that person can be identified.
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I had a similar letter.. if called for an interview you are allowed to lie and not provide any assistance. A mirrored/dark visor or balaclava is useful
Does the vermummungsverbot not apply during police interviews?
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Old 10.08.2016, 13:36
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Switzerland.
Just to expand on this: I was recently interviewed by the police, following a car accident. (By the way, I was found to be not responsible for the accident.) Before the interview, I received the standard list of "instructions" and conditions from the police, in writing -- a sort of caution, I suppose. Among these was "You are not required to tell the truth". It surprised me so much that I kept the list as a souvenir.
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In relation when riding a motorbike... clearly
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Does the vermummungsverbot not apply during police interviews?
I'm guessing that rob1 is advocating wearing of balaclavas while riding motorcycles, not at police interviews. But in any case, doesn't the Vermummungsverbot apply only to organised demonstrations?
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I'm guessing that rob1 is advocating wearing of balaclavas while riding motorcycles, not at police interviews. But in any case, doesn't the Vermummungsverbot apply only to organised demonstrations?
Actually the intention of the law was with respect to public demonstrations. Depending on Rob1's riding style (even if he is alone), one might class that as a public demonstration, I can't speak to that. Rob?
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Well I do have a bike that is often used in urban anti social behavior and received 2 zh police interview requests.
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I'm guessing that rob1 is advocating wearing of balaclavas while riding motorcycles, not at police interviews. But in any case, doesn't the Vermummungsverbot apply only to organised demonstrations?
Anti-mask laws are cantonal things. I have no joy checking 26 laws. I just know that Ticino has one of the most rigirous one.

In canton Zurich it is for demonstrations and gatherings on public ground. Stricktly speaking it would even apply to the Street Parade.
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That bit is wrong, too. By default, the driver is responsible for his/her own driving misdemeanours. Only if the driver cannot be identified is the responsibility transferred to the owner of the vehicle -- if that person can be identified.
Still not 100% correct. Holder is only responsible for simple tickets which can be settled out of court (All those listed in the Ordnungsbussenverordnung: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html). For serious speeding the driver only is responsible.

The actual driver is allowed to lie as long as he does not blame someone else by name and person.

Here the story of a 5.30am police raid, after a motorcycle crossed a red ligtht.http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/14801545
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/14801545
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

I'm more hoping a bit of luck may be on my side as my bike is not that rare but I dont feel lucky.

However if I'm nailed I will take it and would not lie.

I kind of respect all the people on the thread that take it best they can.

Anyway that 80 link would be good...
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That bit is wrong, too. By default, the driver is responsible for his/her own driving misdemeanours. Only if the driver cannot be identified is the responsibility transferred to the owner of the vehicle -- if that person can be identified.
Identifying does of course matter with respect if there's somebody else to be held liable, poor phrasing by me indeed.

However, the bolded part is wrong. The law changed (per 2014?) and made the holder the default culprit, including those cases where the driver can't be identified. That's why I said identifying doesn't matter.
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Anyway that 80 link would be good...
Very first post, very first image of this thread if serious speeding. See the Aussenorts collumn.

If not serious (<= 20km/h over) see, look again for Ausserort in the Ordnungsbussenverordnung
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html
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vHowever, the bolded part is wrong. The law changed (per 2014?) and made the holder the default culprit, including those cases where the driver can't be identified. That's why I said identifying doesn't matter.
Only relevant for OBV cases. In OBV cases nobody cares who the actual driver was as there are no further consequences when paid on time.
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Identifying does of course matter with respect if there's somebody else to be held liable, poor phrasing by me indeed.

However, the bolded part is wrong. The law changed (per 2014?) and made the holder the default culprit, including those cases where the driver can't be identified. That's why I said identifying doesn't matter.
Just to clarify in case my phrasing was ambiguous, I meant that if the driver can't be identified then the holder ("owner") of the vehicle will be held responsible -- IF that holder can be identified. This situation is unlikely to arise, but in the case of photographic evidence where the number plate is not legible, it is possible (likely, even) that not only the driver but also the holder of the vehicle cannot be identified.
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I see. That's what I meant by "identifying the vehicle" (which automatically determines the holder).

And yes aSITU, I've overlooked the Ordnungsbussen part. Thanks.
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