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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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Perhaps we should first agree on a common definition of what constitutes a lie in a legal environment. Here's mine:

If you tell something, that's a statement or a claim; dubious or not doesn't matter at this point. Only if it can be proven wrong does it turn into a lie. And that is forbidden, as well as punishable (perhaps subject to circumstances), in every country I'm aware of.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Can lie and talk total utter balls until the point you are charged, that's mine and the explanation given by the prosecutor.
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Old 10.08.2016, 15:42
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Perhaps we should first agree on a common definition of what constitutes a lie in a legal environment. Here's mine:

If you tell something, that's a statement or a claim; dubious or not doesn't matter at this point. Only if it can be proven wrong does it turn into a lie. And that is forbidden, as well as punishable (perhaps subject to circumstances), in every country I'm aware of.
Simply put, no, that's not forbidden here. In fact I believe it's not forbidden in any (reasonable) country, provided you are not under oath in a courtroom or before a judge, or have been cautioned and explicitly warned that you must tell the truth. That's standard common law practice, I believe, and it also applies here in Switzerland where common law does not.

By way of a sort of proof, tax evasion (lying about your taxable income) is not illegal (not a crime) in Switzerland.
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Simply put, no, that's not forbidden here. In fact I believe it's not forbidden in any (reasonable) country, provided you are not under oath in a courtroom or before a judge, or have been cautioned and explicitly warned that you must tell the truth. That's standard common law practice, I believe, and it also applies here in Switzerland where common law does not.

By way of a sort of proof, tax evasion (lying about your taxable income) is not illegal (not a crime) in Switzerland.
Steuerhinterziehung is not a lie as you simply 'forget' to inform about some stuff, omit something; that's equivalent to staying silent. Steuerbetrug OTOH is actively providing false (or forged) info, that's equivalent to lieing.
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Old 10.08.2016, 16:04
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Perhaps we should first agree on a common definition of what constitutes a lie in a legal environment. Here's mine:

If you tell something, that's a statement or a claim; dubious or not doesn't matter at this point. Only if it can be proven wrong does it turn into a lie. And that is forbidden, as well as punishable (perhaps subject to circumstances), in every country I'm aware of.
As an accused you have zero obligation to co-operate.
Criminal Procedur Code Art. 113
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a113

Lying itself is not a crime or punishable according to the Swiss Criminal Code as long as you do not falsely blame someone else. Only a witness and expert witness (Sachverständiger) must tell the truth.

But be free to prove me wrong, and show me the part where lying is forbidden and punished.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

A couple of Brits caught in Baselland http://www.polizeiticker.ch/news/art...rwischt-83214/
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A couple of Brits caught in Baselland http://www.polizeiticker.ch/news/art...rwischt-83214/
And?

It's possible that I've missed something, seeing as you only post a link to a German page without any translation or explanation, but, well, what's your point?
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A couple of Brits caught in Baselland http://www.polizeiticker.ch/news/art...rwischt-83214/
Thanks for the tips on where the radar traps are situated.
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Old 31.08.2016, 12:29
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

http://lenews.ch/2016/08/31/heavy-pe...n-switzerland/

A driver recently caught in Thurgau
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

"His BMW car was seized and sold at auction for CHF 1,700"
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

A bit of a hot flush yesterday. I received a nasty grey envelope with a speeding ticket in it... Only 120CHF, tho'. It's still annoying as I try to spend my time on cruise control set at the legal limit.

After my legendary 5,100CHF speeding fine from last year, I'm still in the danger zone (huge fine for a repeat offense). However, clicking back through this thread, the reliable fatmanfilms says that minor speeding tickets don't count. So that's a relief, assuming that he's right...

Also there is a really bizarre payment option: if it wasn't me at the wheel, then the person who was driving can pay the fine "anonymously", whatever that means.

Apart from moral issues , is there any reason why I should not get A.N. Other to pay my fine? Since she was at the wheel .
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A bit of a hot flush yesterday. I received a nasty grey envelope with a speeding ticket in it... Only 120CHF, tho'. It's still annoying as I try to spend my time on cruise control set at the legal limit.
It's time to get your car to the mechanic to check the speedometer reading accuracy
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Also there is a really bizarre payment option: if it wasn't me at the wheel, then the person who was driving can pay the fine "anonymously", whatever that means.

Apart from moral issues , is there any reason why I should not get A.N. Other to pay my fine? Since she was at the wheel .
Does the fine say it's specifically on your name (other than the letter being addressed to you)? Usually most lower end fines are "anoymous", i.e. if they get paid they are not put "on the record" whatever that means. It may be the case that whether you pay or you put someone else forward it's anonymous anyway...
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A bit of a hot flush yesterday. I received a nasty grey envelope with a speeding ticket in it... Only 120CHF, tho'. It's still annoying as I try to spend my time on cruise control set at the legal limit.
This is the serious speeding thread Frank. We do not discuss such mundane things as simple speeding tickets

They are anonymous, not recorded, and have to be paid on time.

The last bit is the most important part. If not paid on time they will go to a judge and then all the mess, cost, and driving bans will start.

If you care about privacy, considering yesterday's vote leave your phone at home, go to a far away post office, fill in any name and address and pay with cash.
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Apart from moral issues , is there any reason why I should not get A.N. Other to pay my fine? Since she was at the wheel .

You're Chris Hune in disguise !!!

(Your license is ok, it's a minor offence, anonymous)
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A couple of Brits caught in Baselland http://www.polizeiticker.ch/news/art...rwischt-83214/
It said they were flashed not "caught."

Shame they weren't stopped as that speed is pretty wreckless regardless of the time/road conditions.

As it stands the Swiss can only forward on the fine to the UK and hope they pay it. Maybe a little harassment from the UK police and a 3rd party collection company but it remains unenforceable in the UK.
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Maybe a little harassment from the UK police and a 3rd party collection company but it remains unenforceable in the UK.
UK police won't get involved, worst case they will get an 'official' looking letter asking for money from some tonky debt collection co. which they can simply ignore, they get bored after about 5 or so threatening letters
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Shame they weren't stopped as that speed is pretty wreckless regardless of the time/road conditions.
Driving at high speed is often anything but wreckless -- the worst accidents are often caused by reckless speeders.
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UK police won't get involved, worst case they will get an 'official' looking letter asking for money from some tonky debt collection co. which they can simply ignore, they get bored after about 5 or so threatening letters
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1216214

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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

A speed camera on the A2 near Balerna TI has clocked up ca. CHF 8 Million in fines in 6 months.
Like such press releases in UK they do not state what percentage of people actually paid up.

Source (German language)

Hard to believe any Govt. will allow self driving cars that keep to the speed limit and do not generate income from fines.
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