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Old 27.12.2016, 20:39
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

I'm not too worried about the money itself (after all, I'm just coming out of christmas week, talk about expensive...), if 1) really flashed me I'll get 40chf in the mail. I'm more curious why it flashed me THIS TIME, whilst every OTHER time I drive past at 124 it didn't.

As to safety: this is Switzerland, where one watches the speedo instead of the road, no? J/K, I'm always driving with cruise control on and this is how I drove past the cams in this instance as well. So I wasn't "looking at my devices and comparing speeds" as the speed had been set some dozens of kms back and the car was holding it, i.e. i already knew exactly the speed I was doing on both GPS and dash so in actuality I was rather blinded by the flash
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I just came back from a trip to Luzern and saw 3 radar flashes...one which might have been for me.

Weird thing though, I know pretty much all the fixed radars on the way from Zürich to Luzern and here's what happened:
1. Fixed radar near Gisikon-Root, traveling to Luzern. I was overtaking a bus, doing 124km/h on the GPS (app on the phone, speedo indicated almost 130). I ALWAYS drive that speed on that route and have never been flashed. Yet now...boom! I was actually exactly head to head with the bus when the flash happened. Is there maybe some law that the bus may only do 100 and he might have been doing more, therefore he was flashed not me? Again, I always always drive 124-125 past that cam and was never flashed.

2. After tunnel Rathausen, just before reaching Luzern, the limit becomes 80 and there's another fixed cam. There was a car about 30m in front, I was doing 79 (on the GPS) and the distance to that car was staying the same...boom, he got flashed! He can't have been doing more than 83-84, but I don't think even that.

3. Coming back direction Zürich, there's a cam before tunnel Rathausen, limit was 80, I drove past doing 79 (on the GPS), there was a car about 20m behind me, not drawing closer...boom, he got flashed! Again, he can't have been doing much more than 80.

Now, maybe I'm over-analyzing it, but I see three options:
1. All the cams were in the right, and technically they were at least in my case, but this would mean that the tolerance which used to be 6km/h (if I remember correctly) in a 120 zone is no longer 6km/h, but probably 3-4km/h.

2. (at least some) Cams were wrong. But then...all three? And why?

3. Some other explanation

Anyone care to comment?
They are experimenting with checking the distance between vehicles so that might cause a flash if the person behind you is too close

Over 100 the tolerance is 6KMH, having said that over many years I was a couple of times flashed when my GPS said my under 100 tolerance of 5KMH was OK but I still got a CHF 40 fine. Not worth fighting really?
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Old 27.12.2016, 21:53
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They are experimenting with checking the distance between vehicles so that might cause a flash if the person behind you is too close
Good. did I say that? No, it is good.

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Over 100 the tolerance is 6KMH, having said that over many years I was a couple of times flashed when my GPS said my under 100 tolerance of 5KMH was OK but I still got a CHF 40 fine. Not worth fighting really?
the tolerance kilometers are taken off AFTER they blitzed you.
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They are experimenting with checking the distance between vehicles so that might cause a flash if the person behind you is too close
Can't wait until they also check on who's blocking the left lane.

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Over 100 the tolerance is 6KMH, having said that over many years I was a couple of times flashed when my GPS said my under 100 tolerance of 5KMH was OK but I still got a CHF 40 fine. Not worth fighting really?
The tolerance depends on the speed limit and on the device type measuring. For instance in the 100-150km/h speed limit range laser has 4km/h tolerance vs 6km/h for radar.
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Over 100 the tolerance is 6KMH, having said that over many years I was a couple of times flashed when my GPS said my under 100 tolerance of 5KMH was OK but I still got a CHF 40 fine. Not worth fighting really?
It is 4 km/h (laser) and 6 km/h (radar) if measurement was 101 km/h up to 150 km/h .
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...078/index.html

PS: It is called measurement tolerance for good reason. If your were going exactly 101 km/h and you were measured as 105 km/h with laser, the measurement is correct.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...359/index.html
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They are experimenting with checking the distance between vehicles so that might cause a flash if the person behind you is too close
This will bring rush hour traffic to a screeching halt.
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Can't wait until they also check on who's blocking the left lane.


The tolerance depends on the speed limit and on the device type measuring. For instance in the 100-150km/h speed limit range laser has 4km/h tolerance vs 6km/h for radar.
Which fixed radars are laser, is there a way to tell?
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Old 28.12.2016, 09:02
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Good. did I say that? No, it is good.


the tolerance kilometers are taken off AFTER they blitzed you.
I always thought that they only blitz you if you are doing above limit + tolerance, otherwise someone would need to check every single photo/measurement?
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I always thought that they only blitz you if you are doing above limit + tolerance, otherwise someone would need to check every single photo/measurement?
From my experience they blitz then deduct. But some may only blitz when you are +10km/h over.

To answer one of your eralier questions. Yes some machines can differentiate between small and big vehicles. Big vehicles are either allowed 100 km/h (coaches) or 80 km/h (trucks). As the machine cannot differentiate between coaches and trucks it will flash the coach every time. Not a problem, unless the coach has a trailer. As for all vehicles with a trailer the speed limit is 80 km/h.

Did you have a trailer?
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Which fixed radars are laser, is there a way to tell?
1) Most modern ones.
2) Fixed means not moving during measurement. Also the temporary ones are considered fixed.
3) Do not expect that the tolerance will always work in your favor.
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This will bring rush hour traffic to a screeching halt.


It'd be nice for it to be put in place, IMHO - apart from the usual idiots who routinely pass on the right, the tailgating is a tiresome & dangerous issue on the freeways
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It'd be nice for it to be put in place, IMHO - apart from the usual idiots who routinely pass on the right, the tailgating is a tiresome & dangerous issue on the freeways
Passing on the right is legal now. As long as you don't overtake someone = go back in the left lane before him/her.
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From my experience they blitz then deduct. But some may only blitz when you are +10km/h over.

To answer one of your eralier questions. Yes some machines can differentiate between small and big vehicles. Big vehicles are either allowed 100 km/h (coaches) or 80 km/h (trucks). As the machine cannot differentiate between coaches and trucks it will flash the coach every time. Not a problem, unless the coach has a trailer. As for all vehicles with a trailer the speed limit is 80 km/h.

Did you have a trailer?
I didn't have a trailer. Thanks for the clarification regarding coaches, I'm fairly sure then that it was the bus that got flashed, not me. I shall contribute the 40chf towards the Dom Perignon for New Year's Eve
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I didn't have a trailer. Thanks for the clarification regarding coaches, I'm fairly sure then that it was the bus that got flashed, not me. I shall contribute the 40chf towards the Dom Perignon for New Year's Eve
That will get you half a flute.
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I didn't have a trailer. Thanks for the clarification regarding coaches, I'm fairly sure then that it was the bus that got flashed, not me. I shall contribute the 40chf towards the Dom Perignon for New Year's Eve
Minimum speed fine (1-5 km/h over the limit) on Autobahn and Autostrasse is 20CHF, this differs from the other road typers where it is indeed 40CHF.
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Passing on the right is legal now. As long as you don't overtake someone = go back in the left lane before him/her.
...and as long as you don't accelerate.
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Minimum speed fine (1-5 km/h over the limit) on Autobahn and Autostrasse is 20CHF, this differs from the other road typers where it is indeed 40CHF.
...and as long as you don't accelerate.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Hi, I've just received a grey envelope and read this thread with interest. Im a UK citizen, living in the UK. Went to Switzerland last summer (June 2016)

The letter I've just received includes a speed camera photo of my car (unable to see driver for what its worth) accusing me of doing net 47kph above the 80 kph limit of an out of town road in Bern Canton.

The letter mentions nothing of fines or penalties, but asks to respond confirming who the driver was, name, address and profession. Nothing else.

From what I can see, it's worthy of a 90 day salary payment, but I imagine this is to be confirmed in a follow up letter.

Does anyone have experience of this?

Given there is no mention of a fine to pay, if I ignore the letter (lost in post?) what would possibly happen next? Ive no immediate plans to return to CH but who could possibly predict circumstances in 5, 10, 15 years time?!

If I do respond, what could I expect to happen given the speed involved and that I'm in the UK?

Any ideas welcome. Thanks!
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Just pay the fine Ed and put it down to a learning experience. Or just wait until they catch up with you! The first letter is just to confirm who you are! The fine will come in the second letter after it has been to court. I am not up on the latest fines, but expect a 3-6 month ban and 5000- 6000 fine maybe a bit more!
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Welcome to the forum Ed and the Swiss regime of speeding fines.
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Given there is no mention of a fine to pay, if I ignore the letter (lost in post?) what would possibly happen next? Ive no immediate plans to return to CH but who could possibly predict circumstances in 5, 10, 15 years time?!
They have ten years to prosecuted you and come to a first verdict.

Once there is a final sentence they and it is less than one year of jail they have 5 years to get the money from you.

If you want to sit it out you will need a final sentence ASAP and then do not come back to Switzerland in the next 5 years.

Art. 97 ff Swiss Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a97
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