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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Thank you for the welcome, and thank you for the information. I can't say I'm looking forward to the next letter from our Swiss friends, but c'est la vie.
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If you want to sit it out you will need a final sentence ASAP and then do not come back to Switzerland in the next 5 years.
And hope no plane journey gets diverted through here!
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Oops! Dakar Rally champion Stephane Peterhansel has been fined for excessive speed and lost his licence for 3 months.

"The Dakar champion should have lifted his foot. Stéphane Peterhansel, winner of the rally-raid last January, has just been condemned by the Valais justice for serious violation of the rules of road traffic. As he was returning home to Crans-Montana, the French driver was flashed at 89km / h on a stretch limited to 50, according to information from the "Nouvelliste".

He will have to pay a fine of 4,500 francs in addition to the 55-day fines required by the Public Prosecutor's Office. As this is his first offense, the pilot is granted a two-year reprieve and is expecting a three-month withdrawal. The Valaisan Traffic Service will decide.

At the professional level, this suspension is rather restrictive. Stéphane Peterhansel announces that he will have to think strategically about how to place these three months without driving."

http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/romandie...ermis-12897837
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

I haven't been able to find a clear answer for this, so i'm hoping someone can help... Very stupidly been caught doing 21km/h over the limit in a 50 zone. I think the repercussions will be a 600CHF fine and also a month's ban, can someone confirm that? Is there a points system here like in the UK?

Also between my husband and I we can't remember who was driving, If there is a ban we really "need" it to be him and not me... i'm assuming this was a laser gun that got us, so there would be no photographic evidence if we declared my husband as the driver?

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I haven't been able to find a clear answer for this, so i'm hoping someone can help... Very stupidly been caught doing 21km/h over the limit in a 50 zone. I think the repercussions will be a 600CHF fine and also a month's ban, can someone confirm that? Is there a points system here like in the UK?

Also between my husband and I we can't remember who was driving, If there is a ban we really "need" it to be him and not me... i'm assuming this was a laser gun that got us, so there would be no photographic evidence if we declared my husband as the driver?

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Absolute minimum....

As for who takes the rap, ask Chris Hume, i'm sure he'll be able to advise.

If you try and cheat and they do have photographic evidence, they'll let you hang yourself first then show you the evidence, then hang you both out to dry.

Either start remembering or be vewry up front and say you have no idea who was driving at the time
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Absolute minimum do you know what it'll be then?

This is what I've read on this thread??
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Old 21.04.2017, 10:22
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Absolute minimum do you know what it'll be then?
Nobody knows but the judge. The table in the first post is just a guideline.

The maximum for Art. 90 Abs. 1 is a fine of CHF 10000, plus court fees.
Or if they think you endangered anyone and Art. 90 Abs. 2 applies it is either a monetary sentence (based on your income) or up to three years in prison, oh plus court fees.

And additional fees for a warning or driving ban.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

You'll also get the joy of admin fees of around 400chf I got caught doing 81 in 60 and got 600 + 400 plus 2 years probation which incurs another 250chf admin fee. No ban though.

Unfortunately given you where in a 50 the fine may be higher, but it might also get suspended depends on previous driving record and judge at the time, as others have said be upfront and say you can't remember who was driving.

No points system here either.
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Absolute minimum do you know what it'll be then?

This is what I've read on this thread??
Depending on your precedents, but assuming it's first time, around Chf 1k + 1-3 months ban.

A friend of mine was recently hit at 71 in a 50 limit, minus 5 left him 16 above the limit. He had no precedents (this alone prooves it wasn't me but genuinely a friend ) and got just shy of Chf 1k, including costs and 1 month ban suspended 2 years.
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I haven't been able to find a clear answer for this, so i'm hoping someone can help... Very stupidly been caught doing 21km/h over the limit in a 50 zone. I think the repercussions will be a 600CHF fine and also a month's ban, can someone confirm that? Is there a points system here like in the UK?

Also between my husband and I we can't remember who was driving, If there is a ban we really "need" it to be him and not me... i'm assuming this was a laser gun that got us, so there would be no photographic evidence if we declared my husband as the driver?

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Does your husband agree that it would be better for him to take the rap?
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

it's not about anyone taking the rap, we genuinely don't remember who was driving, we were out as a family, this comes of life with 2 young children...

Thanks for the helpful replies, we screwed up, we know we did, it's not nice when some people take this as an opportunity to add to your anxiety about the situation.
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it's not about anyone taking the rap, we genuinely don't remember who was driving, we were out as a family, this comes of life with 2 young children...

Thanks for the helpful replies, we screwed up, we know we did, it's not nice when some people take this as an opportunity to add to your anxiety about the situation.
Fine, so say you genuinely cannot remember and see if they have a photo to assist. If not, ask them what to do
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Old 24.04.2017, 16:29
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I haven't been able to find a clear answer for this, so i'm hoping someone can help... Very stupidly been caught doing 21km/h over the limit in a 50 zone. I think the repercussions will be a 600CHF fine and also a month's ban, can someone confirm that? Is there a points system here like in the UK?
Is being caught the stupid part or the doing it? I get going over this much on a motorway but in residential zones it is beyond me...

Does Switzerland have the non-flashing speed cams too now? Because if not, I call bull on not knowing who was driving, that flash is bright...
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Old 24.04.2017, 16:53
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i'm assuming this was a laser gun that got us, so there would be no photographic evidence if we declared my husband as the driver?
Wrong assumptions.

If it was laser with no photo, you would have been pulled over immediately.

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Does your husband agree that it would be better for him to take the rap?
Does he have to? I thought that was what marriage is about?
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Does he have to? I thought that was what marriage is about?
Legally he doesn't have to agree, but if he knows what's good for him...
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it's not about anyone taking the rap, we genuinely don't remember who was driving, we were out as a family, this comes of life with 2 young children...

Thanks for the helpful replies, we screwed up, we know we did, it's not nice when some people take this as an opportunity to add to your anxiety about the situation.
There's nothing to agree on for both of you.

Since this won't be an Ordnungsbusse the police need to prove who was driving. So unless they can produce a foto with either of you identifiably behind the wheel you're probably off the hook (quite unlikely but as you certainly know, hope dies last). With the foto it will be clear who's responsible.

So just tell it as it is: You don't remember.
Personally, I wouldn't admit to having been too fast, have them prove their case.

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Isn't the legal car owner responsible at the end of the day now. The law changed to avoid this loop hole not so long ago
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I believe that would go against other basic laws here in Switzerland. And also, we're still very much innocent until proven guilty (very outdated, I know).
But as you said, it's a strained loop hole .... so got a source maybe?
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Only for simple fines (Ordnungsbusse). See the OBG Art. 6 https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...138/index.html. Not for serious speeding where a simple fine is no longer possible. For serious speeding all the normal provision of the criminal procedure code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...319/index.html apply, inclusive not naming next of kin.
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