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14.08.2018, 11:28
| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | The lowered speed is the relevant one. Roadworks = often more complex road situation and, more importantly, people where there normally are none. | | | | | Yes the lowered speed is the relevant one, nobody will dispute such, but a lowered max on its own does not change the type of road.
If there were people at that roadwork at that moment we do not know. Maybe they had signs changing the type of road, maybe they only had signs with a diff max speed.
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14.08.2018, 11:39
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.
I do not know about Switzerland but in Germany speeding at roadworks is penalized more heavily because the possible danger to roadworkers
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23.08.2018, 08:49
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Thanks for all the replies. My wife has returned the initial form and we are now waiting to hear back.
There is a chance that there were not actually roadworks at the point where she was flashed. I drove along the stretch of road a couple of days ago and while there are currently roadworks on the A53, at the location quoted on the notification it appears to be a permanent camera and lower limit. Of course, things may have been different a month or so ago when it happened and they could have been working at that location.
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23.08.2018, 09:52
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks for all the replies. My wife has returned the initial form and we are now waiting to hear back.
There is a chance that there were not actually roadworks at the point where she was flashed. I drove along the stretch of road a couple of days ago and while there are currently roadworks on the A53, at the location quoted on the notification it appears to be a permanent camera and lower limit. Of course, things may have been different a month or so ago when it happened and they could have been working at that location. | | | | |
Ah... the A53 my local autobahn. Yes, roadworks around the Volketswil exit has been on-going for quite some time now. From time-to-time, they post a temporary camera in the middle of this roadwork stretch so people will take the posted 80-sign seriously. However, there is an 80-limited section of the A53 with a permanent camera, that is the one you probably saw.
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17.09.2018, 19:17
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.
Maybe someone can shed a light on this.
Will 80 kmph stretch on autoroute carry same rules as an ausser strasse for speed calculations?
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17.09.2018, 19:32
| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe someone can shed a light on this.
Will 80 kmph stretch on autoroute carry same rules as an ausser strasse for speed calculations? | | | | | Corrections are based on measured speeds and measurement method, not on type of roads or allowed maximum speeds.
If this is the wrong answer than I do not understand what you are asking.
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17.09.2018, 19:38
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe someone can shed a light on this.
Will 80 kmph stretch on autoroute carry same rules as an ausser strasse for speed calculations? | | | | | iirc the fines are higher in a highway construction zone.
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17.09.2018, 19:45
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: |  | | | Corrections are based on measured speeds and measurement method, not on type of roads or allowed maximum speeds.
If this is the wrong answer than I do not understand what you are asking. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | iirc the fines are higher in a highway construction zone. | | | | | Sorry I wasn't clear.
I got flashed driving 125 in a autoroute. But that specific area is 80 kmph but no construction.
I want to know if they consider this stretch of road as outer roads (where the limit is 80) or autoroute for speed limit/overlimit calculations?
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17.09.2018, 20:43
| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry I wasn't clear.
I got flashed driving 125 in a autoroute. But that specific area is 80 kmph but no construction.
I want to know if they consider this stretch of road as outer roads (where the limit is 80) or autoroute for speed limit/overlimit calculations? | | | | | Was there a sign that changed the type of road or only a sign that limited the speed?
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17.09.2018, 20:50
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry I wasn't clear.
I got flashed driving 125 in a autoroute. But that specific area is 80 kmph but no construction.
I want to know if they consider this stretch of road as outer roads (where the limit is 80) or autoroute for speed limit/overlimit calculations? | | | | | that should be a regular autoroute.
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17.09.2018, 21:59
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: |  | | | Was there a sign that changed the type of road or only a sign that limited the speed? | | | | | Only a sign to limit speed changed from 120 to 100 and finally to 80
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | that should be a regular autoroute. | | | | | Hope so.. But I want to prepare for the worst
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17.09.2018, 22:06
| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | Hope so.. But I want to prepare for the worst | | | | | An autoroute is still an autoroute, even with a reduced speed limit.
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17.09.2018, 22:08
| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | Only a sign to limit speed changed from 120 to 100 and finally to 80 | | | | | Autobahn/autoroute/highway or how you want to call them.
Tho depending on the reason why they lowered the speed you might feel some extra pain from that.
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18.09.2018, 18:43
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.
To add to the confusion .... as Gamebuwa uses all kinds of funny names:
By the French word autoroute, do you mean Autobahn = highway?
Or the Swiss "Autostrasse"? (Scroll down to "Schweiz")
What's an "Ausserstrasse"? Maybe a "Hauptstrasse ausserorts"?
Being caught at 45km/h too fast is not a good idea, whether it is on the highway, the "Autostrasse" or the "Hauptstrasse ausserorts".
I suggest you check the SBB page for monthly tickets at least.
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18.09.2018, 18:48
| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | To add to the confusion .... as Gamebuwa uses all kinds of funny names:
By the French word autoroute, do you mean Autobahn = highway?
Or the Swiss "Autostrasse"? (Scroll down to "Schweiz")
What's an "Ausserstrasse"? Maybe a "Hauptstrasse ausserorts"?
Being caught at 45km/h too fast is not a good idea, whether it is on the highway, the "Autostrasse" or the "Hauptstrasse ausserorts".
I suggest you check the SBB page for monthly tickets at least. | | | | | What confusion?
He called it autoroute and said normal speed was 120km/h
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18.09.2018, 19:10
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18.09.2018, 19:16
| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: | |  | | | To add to the confusion .... as Gamebuwa uses all kinds of funny names:
By the French word autoroute, do you mean Autobahn = highway?
Or the Swiss "Autostrasse"? (Scroll down to "Schweiz")
What's an "Ausserstrasse"? Maybe a "Hauptstrasse ausserorts"? | | | | | "Autoroute" isn't too funny a term for someone who hails from Romandie to use.  We need to be a little less Deutschschweiz-centric on EF.
Agreed, though, that "ausser strasse" (for the same reason!) is an odd choice, apart from the fact that it doesn't mean much, even in German.
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18.09.2018, 19:19
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: |  | | | "Autoroute" isn't too funny a term for someone who hails from Romandie to use.  We need to be a little less Deutschschweiz-centric on EF.
Agreed, though, that "ausser strasse" (for the same reason!) is an odd choice, apart from the fact that it doesn't mean much, even in German. | | | | | Glad you picked the same thing as funny as I did
Didn't see a different word than autoroute for "Autostrasse", so it was a simple question which one he meant.
Always happy to explain my posts with a few more posts.
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18.09.2018, 19:20
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| | Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines. | Quote: |  | | | "Autoroute" isn't too funny a term for someone who hails from Romandie to use.  We need to be a little less Deutschschweiz-centric on EF.
Agreed, though, that "ausser strasse" (for the same reason!) is an odd choice, apart from the fact that it doesn't mean much, even in German. | | | | | I would presume that "ausser strasse" means an out of town road, i.e. 80 kph.
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