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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

A British tourist on his way home was caught down the road doing 160 last year. He lost his car and license- but never heard anymore. Would love to know what happened.

Mind you, this is on a stretch of road where I experienced 200 km/hr in 1967ish - in my BF's dad's Mustang Shelby. Sadly he was driving, not me
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Old 08.02.2019, 14:11
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Mind you, this is on a stretch of road where I experienced 200 km/hr in 1967ish - in my BF's dad's Mustang Shelby. Sadly he was driving, not me
From the good ol' pre-Ford days! Well played.

I'm slightly dubious about an early model Shelby Mustang getting to 125 mph on Swiss roads in the mid-60s, but then again, if it was a (rare) '67 GT 500 with the ridiculous 427 cu in motor...
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this is on a stretch of road where I experienced 200 km/hr in 1967ish - in my BF's dad's Mustang Shelby. Sadly he was driving, not me
Was it this stretch of road?



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Old 08.02.2019, 14:46
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But do I really need to tell them it was Mrs. gbn driving? Do they care?



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Old 08.02.2019, 15:19
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Wife driving, just speeding so got CHF 40 fine. No problem, expected it.
I'm registered owner, so fine comes to me.
Wrong thread Please come back when you get a court summons, police invite, etc.

Simple fines are anonymous. Pay and forget.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

In February 2018, I was caught by a speed camera travelling at 118 kph in an section of motorway where the limit had been temporarily reduced from 120 to 80. I live in the UK and received correspondence containing a 360 CHF fine and a 3 month disqualification. I paid the fine and served the disqualification. On arrival at Zurich next time in February 2019, I was detained by police on the basis of an unpaid speeding fine. Apparently the fine Iíd paid was for the disqualification, 120 CHF per month, not for speeding. The Swiss authorities donít send correspondence relating to speeding fines to addresses outside Switzerland, they merely detain you the next time you enter the country. I was fined 1,100 CHF which I had to pay to be released from detention. I was given an email address to contact to appeal the the fine. I believe Swiss speeding fines are means tested. I sent an email and in response the authorities will send me a punishment order which I have the opportunity to object in which case I would have to appear at the Public Prosecutor's Office Lake / Oberland for the purpose of a written survey. This would be cost prohibitive so Iíll have to write the whole thing off as an unfortunate, unpleasant, expensive, experience.
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In February 2018, I was caught by a speed camera travelling at 118 kph in an section of motorway where the limit had been temporarily reduced from 120 to 80. I live in the UK and received correspondence containing a 360 CHF fine and a 3 month disqualification. I paid the fine and served the disqualification. On arrival at Zurich next time in February 2019, I was detained by police on the basis of an unpaid speeding fine. Apparently the fine I’d paid was for the disqualification, 120 CHF per month, not for speeding. The Swiss authorities don’t send correspondence relating to speeding fines to addresses outside Switzerland, they merely detain you the next time you enter the country. I was fined 1,100 CHF which I had to pay to be released from detention. I was given an email address to contact to appeal the the fine. I believe Swiss speeding fines are means tested. I sent an email and in response the authorities will send me a punishment order which I have the opportunity to object in which case I would have to appear at the Public Prosecutor's Office Lake / Oberland for the purpose of a written survey. This would be cost prohibitive so I’ll have to write the whole thing off as an unfortunate, unpleasant, expensive, experience.
Yup Switzerland is known for hammering motorists with fines both the locals and tourists. 20 days salary is the recommendation according to the table on the first page. (38kph over on the Autobahn)

I managed to get a speeding fine in France, the french banned and fined me then the Swiss charged me more than the French to process the paperwork.

Forget objecting.. You'll never win. Just take it as a unfortunate series of events.

Note:- I'm wrong it's now even higher..

https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/

If you exceed the speed limit by 25 km/h in built-up areas, 30 km/h out of built-up areas or by 35 km/h on the motorway, the offence will be entered into the register of criminal convictions and will be appear for a certain period on extracts from the register.

Nice...
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Got one today from Uri. Chf 68k suspended for 2 years and 11k to pay now. 121 on the motorway - didnít notice it had gone down to 80.
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Old 22.04.2019, 16:32
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Got one today from Uri. Chf 68k suspended for 2 years and 11k to pay now. 121 on the motorway - didnít notice it had gone down to 80.
Ouch!
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Old 22.04.2019, 16:51
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Got one today from Uri. Chf 68k suspended for 2 years and 11k to pay now. 121 on the motorway - didnít notice it had gone down to 80.
Bloody hell! Iím all for punishments for speeding which sting but, Christ, thatís eye-wateringly taking the piss.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Better make sure you car has one of these then.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business...p-you-speeding
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Yup Switzerland is known for hammering motorists with fines both the locals and tourists. 20 days salary is the recommendation according to the table on the first page. (38kph over on the Autobahn)

I managed to get a speeding fine in France, the french banned and fined me then the Swiss charged me more than the French to process the paperwork.

Forget objecting.. You'll never win. Just take it as a unfortunate series of events.

Note:- I'm wrong it's now even higher..

https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/

If you exceed the speed limit by 25 km/h in built-up areas, 30 km/h out of built-up areas or by 35 km/h on the motorway, the offence will be entered into the register of criminal convictions and will be appear for a certain period on extracts from the register.

Nice...
I'm in a similar boat. Just got my license suspended in France. They even physically took my Swiss license during the traffic stop. In your case, did they also ask you to turn in your Swiss license? Did the Swiss also fine and suspend your privileges in Switzerland? How much was the admin fee, out curiosity?
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Old 07.05.2019, 09:07
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I'm in a similar boat. Just got my license suspended in France. They even physically took my Swiss license during the traffic stop. In your case, did they also ask you to turn in your Swiss license? Did the Swiss also fine and suspend your privileges in Switzerland? How much was the admin fee, out curiosity?

There is a reciprocol agreement between France, Germany and Austria to facilitate this situation.


My understanding is, the French will ban you until a set date, they inform the Swiss, who also ban you until the same date.
The Swiss record the ban so you need to inform your insurance. The Swiss charge a processing fee.


Personally, I would not drive in Switzerland until I had clarity from police/insurance/lawyer. If you have legal cover with your insurance, you could call them.

The question is, do you have a valid license or not? Seems not as the French have taken it off you.


Happy to be contradicted on the above.



How fast were you going?
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There is a reciprocol agreement between France, Germany and Austria to facilitate this situation.


My understanding is, the French will ban you until a set date, they inform the Swiss, who also ban you until the same date.
The Swiss record the ban so you need to inform your insurance. The Swiss charge a processing fee.


Personally, I would not drive in Switzerland until I had clarity from police/insurance/lawyer. If you have legal cover with your insurance, you could call them.

The question is, do you have a valid license or not? Seems not as the French have taken it off you.


Happy to be contradicted on the above.



How fast were you going?
They claim I was going 129kph in an 80kph zone (outside of town, on a country road.) I have already submitted a claim with legal insurance. The French police gave me some document to keep in the car that I understood serves as my license to drive in CH. No idea if that's accurate or not. Will let the group know what the lawyer tells me. In your case, you received a ban from the Swiss but not an additional fine (only processing fee?)
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Old 07.05.2019, 09:29
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The Swiss record the ban so you need to inform your insurance.
As far as I know there is no need for that.
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They claim I was going 129kph in an 80kph zone (outside of town, on a country road.) I have already submitted a claim with legal insurance. The French police gave me some document to keep in the car that I understood serves as my license to drive in CH. No idea if that's accurate or not. Will let the group know what the lawyer tells me. In your case, you received a ban from the Swiss but not an additional fine (only processing fee?)

..............oh dear me !
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They claim I was going 129kph in an 80kph zone (outside of town, on a country road.)


Well, let's face it, it's not a claim, you were doing it.



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I have already submitted a claim with legal insurance.

For what? Legal representation in court?



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In your case, you received a ban from the Swiss but not an additional fine (only processing fee?)

Not me, I'm quoting from the internet. Apparently, they charge a fee, but not a fine.
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As far as I know there is no need for that.

No idea, but from the AXA insurance policy:


61 The following applies if the driver caused the insured
event because he was driving while under the influence
of alcohol (blood alcohol level above the value
permitted by law), was otherwise unfit for the road,
showed complete disregard of speed limits, and if his
license was revoked because of one of these offenses
during the last five years prior to the event:

Ė AXA pays no benefits under accidental damage insurance
and mobility insurance; and no benefits for
the driver under accident insurance.
Ė AXA takes recourse against the driver for benefits
from liability insurance and for benefits for passengers
under accident insurance.



You would think, that the Insurance companies could check this in the event of a claim, and not rely on your word that you've never been banned etc.



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No idea, but from the AXA insurance policy:
Complete disregard of speed limit is defined in A8.22 as "in accordance with Art. 65 para. 3 Road Traffic Act"

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a65
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3 The insurer shall have a right of recourse against the policyholder or the insured person to the extent that he would be entitled to refuse or reduce his benefit in accordance with the insurance contract or the Federal Act of 2 April 1908 on the Insurance Contract. If the damage was caused in a drunken or unroadworthy condition or by a speeding offence within the meaning of Article 90 paragraph 4, the insurer must take recourse. The extent of such recourse shall take account of the fault and economic capacity of the person to whom recourse is made
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3 A prison sentence of between one and four years shall be imposed on anyone who intentionally violates elementary traffic rules and thus assumes the high risk of an accident with serious injuries or fatalities, in particular through particularly blatant disregard of the maximum permitted speed, reckless overtaking or participation in an unauthorised race with motor vehicles.

4 Paragraph 3 is met in any case if the maximum permitted speed is exceeded by:

a. at least 40 km/h, where the maximum speed is 30 km/h or less;
b. at least 50 km/h where the maximum speed is 50 km/h or less;
c. at least 60 km/h where the maximum speed is 80 km/h or less;
d. at least 80 km/h where the maximum speed is more than 80 km/h.
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Complete disregard of speed limit is defined in A8.22 as "in accordance with Art. 65 para. 3 Road Traffic Act"

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a65
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Art. 90 para. 3 and 4 Road Traffic Act

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Ok, so if I understand this correctly, I have not shown a "complete disregard" for the speed limit. That's a relief!
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