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Old 07.05.2019, 12:46
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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Ok, so if I understand this correctly, I have not shown a "complete disregard" for the speed limit. That's a relief!
Your traffic offence has nothing to do with Switzerland. As previously stated, you will be charged a fee by the Swiss, but won't receive further punishment from Switzerland. However, I understand that as the French have suspended your licence, you no longer have a licence to drive anywhere until they give it back -- but I'm happy to be corrected on that last part.
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Your traffic offence has nothing to do with Switzerland. As previously stated, you will be charged a fee by the Swiss, but won't receive further punishment from Switzerland. However, I understand that as the French have suspended your licence, you no longer have a licence to drive anywhere until they give it back -- but I'm happy to be corrected on that last part.
Road traffic law §16c (no English version available):

Withdrawal of driving licence after an offence abroad

1 After a violation abroad, the learning driving licence or driving licence will be withdrawn if:
a. a driving ban has been imposed abroad; and
b. the infringement is of medium or serious nature in accordance with Articles 16b and 16c.
2 When determining the withdrawal period, the effects of the foreign driving ban on the person concerned shall be adequately taken into account. The withdrawal period may be shorter than the minimum withdrawal period. In the case of persons for whom no data on administrative measures (Art. 89c letter d) are contained in the Traffic Licensing Information System, the withdrawal period may not exceed the duration of the driving ban imposed abroad.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

"In the case of persons for whom no data on administrative measures (Art. 89c letter d) are contained in the Traffic Licensing Information System"


What does that mean? No previous recorded bans in CH?
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Quick update after speaking to a lawyer. I should definitely expect to lose my license in Switzerland. Likely for the same length, possibly less. But not less than 3 months. He confirmed that Swiss will not fine me. They will charge me a 200-300chf admin fee, but this is apparently covered by my legal insurance. Very relieved!
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"In the case of persons for whom no data on administrative measures (Art. 89c letter d) are contained in the Traffic Licensing Information System"


What does that mean? No previous recorded bans in CH?
Yes, that is what my lawyer confirmed. If I have no previous bans, then the Swiss cannot ban me longer than the French. "normal" speeding tickets resulting in fines don't count against you.
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Old 09.05.2019, 09:41
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"In the case of persons for whom no data on administrative measures (Art. 89c letter d) are contained in the Traffic Licensing Information System"

What does that mean? No previous recorded bans in CH?
No bans and also no warnings from the Swiss license authority.
Simple fines do not count. They are anonymous and not recorded.
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"In the case of persons for whom no data on administrative measures (Art. 89c letter d) are contained in the Traffic Licensing Information System"


What does that mean? No previous recorded bans in CH?
Administrative measures are supposedly(*) purged five or ten years after the most recent measure.

Admonishments for example are to be considered for five years. So if you were admonished every four years, all of them would be visible and taken into consideration. If however you received one every six years, at worst one admonishemt would be considered.

OTOH temporary license suspensions are considered for ten years.

(*) "Supposedly" because multiple instances have come to light where police records weren't actually deleted as legally mandated but rather, old data were merely marked as old or similar.
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Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.

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Cannot stress enough - I am joking. Most of camera equipment is supervised permanently by security cameras mounted high(er) and farther away.
Every time I see people planning/talking about destroying speed cameras I think why? They will just repair them and charge the relevant tax payer.

I'm personally tempted to order a nice sheet of smiley acid face stickers which happen to be the same size as the speed camera lense.

Alternatively, a large black bin bag placed over the camera with some tape securing the bag at the bottom is a viable alternative.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Hi All,

After living for 4 years and maintaining a clean traffic record sheet I finally hit the jackpot today.

Exiting the highway ending up on a 60km/h lane (next to the highway not “within constructions lane”) I was a bit lost in mind to nice the signs and my speed, ending up on a nice (mobile) camera shoot whilst driving around 85.

Predicting the consequences, I was wondering:

-If the margin of error of the cameras is always deducted from the measured speed
-will the fact that i have a clean record positively impact my case?
-If beyond the standard fine (guess it will be a bit of a coin flip given the above) - what is the expected fine/nr of “daily fines” if being summoned?

Having looked around here I found the general info but not the specific/up to date info relevant to my case.

Cheers and good weekend to all!
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

1) -If the margin of error of the cameras is always deducted from the measured speed
2) -will the fact that i have a clean record positively impact my case?
3) -If beyond the standard fine (guess it will be a bit of a coin flip given the above) - what is the expected fine/nr of “daily fines” if being summoned?


1) Yes and it's a margin from your speed that is deducted as speedo's are rarely accurate, camera's usually are
2) It won't harm you case but i guess you're still looking at a chinky fine and between 1-3 months walking
3) Heads or tails
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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Hi All,

After living for 4 years and maintaining a clean traffic record sheet I finally hit the jackpot today.

Exiting the highway ending up on a 60km/h lane (next to the highway not “within constructions lane”) I was a bit lost in mind to nice the signs and my speed, ending up on a nice (mobile) camera shoot whilst driving around 85.

Predicting the consequences, I was wondering:

-If the margin of error of the cameras is always deducted from the measured speed
-will the fact that i have a clean record positively impact my case?
-If beyond the standard fine (guess it will be a bit of a coin flip given the above) - what is the expected fine/nr of “daily fines” if being summoned?

Having looked around here I found the general info but not the specific/up to date info relevant to my case.

Cheers and good weekend to all!
https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/
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- what is the expected fine/nr of “daily fines” if being summoned?
If you are lucky, your speedometer over reads considerably, measurement tolerance is all in your favor, it was a radar device, it is outside urban areas you might just be within the price list range: CHF 240 and no further consequences. Pay it and case is closed.

If you are unlucky, inside city limits, your speedometer is super accurate, and the measurement uncertainty of the camera is not in your favor (billed speed == true speed): A monetary penalty of 20 day wages, criminal record, and a minimum license ban of three months. See first post of the thread, it is still up to date and fully relevant. https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...law-fines.html

Wait, see, report. We love such stories.

PS: Extra, increased tolerances for a "mobile" cameras means that the camera was moving at time of measurement, like it was in a chopper, aeroplane, or moving car. This is very rare.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

I got my first speeding fine in Switzerland last week, almost 8 years after getting my license

It was also in a 60 zone out of town, randomly what would normally be an 80 zone was apparently sixty. Thankfully the person ahead of me got flashed first so I had slowed down a bit. I got a 40 franc fine for being 2 km/h over after they subtracted 3 km/h tolerance.
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I got my first speeding fine in Switzerland last week, almost 8 years after getting my license

It was also in a 60 zone out of town, randomly what would normally be an 80 zone was apparently sixty. Thankfully the person ahead of me got flashed first so I had slowed down a bit. I got a 40 franc fine for being 2 km/h over after they subtracted 3 km/h tolerance.
Must try harder you hardly qualify for this thread

When you start having to budget for speeding fines come back!
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