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It was my first time driving in a year.
One more reason to respect the limit.
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Old 26.09.2020, 01:04
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HTH.
Well that’s just typical of the unhelpful answers you get from EF these days. In the olden days, the moderators would give you ten bob towards the fine.

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One more reason to respect the limit.
And why does Stadt Zurich not put special signs just for me telling me to slow down? Flipping money making exercise if you ask me.
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Old 28.09.2020, 15:03
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Seems a bit harsh

I got a 160.- fine ta few weeks ago, 96 in an 80 zone.
Inside urban limits vs. outside urban area.

Seems to be correct.
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Old 28.09.2020, 15:38
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Old 28.09.2020, 15:51
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And why does Stadt Zurich not put special signs just for me telling me to slow down? Flipping money making exercise if you ask me.
They really could put up some signs. I think a round one which show the applicable speed limit on the road. May be with a red border which make it more visible. Like this one https://goo.gl/maps/psU6XbsHWqcZSQjFA

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Ask them to provide the photo, and watch their confused faces.
This might be possible. For anything more you must contest the fine (or simply do not pay it) and start the usual criminal proceeding.
https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/autofahre...en-ld.1490614?
strangely here it says they will show the photo only in the normal criminal proceeding
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/pd/de/i..._rotlicht.html
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Rule #1 in Switzerland: Do not contest speeding tickets or end up in hell's kitchen.


It'll only make everything more expensive, you won't win.


Only way out is to leave the country. But do so very quickly and don't come back for 10 years.


Ignore at your own peril.

250 for 10 is a bargain!
"Only way out is to leave the country. But do so very quickly and don't come back for 10 years."

Just out of interest, does this work / what happens after 10 years?
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Old 29.09.2020, 12:43
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Re: Speeding Fine

250 seems steep for 10km/h over.
Which canton is that?

In Basel, 6-10km/h, even in the built up area (e.g. 40 where 30) is 120CHF.
For 11km/h though, it's 250CHF.
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Just out of interest, does this work / what happens after 10 years?
Statue of limitations. A bit more than three years can be enough. There are two periods: 1) How long after the event a sentence can happen. 2) How long after sentencing the penalty can be enforced. In case of simple fines it is 3 years in each of the cases and a legally enforceable sentencing normally happens within one year.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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Because they're anonymous the suspension doesn't consider the standardised traffic fines ("Ordnungsbusse"). No need to be holier than the pope.

As for when the license suspension hits you, it may help calling the administration. There are no guarantees but you may find an open ear if you can provide job related reasoning.
nah they're going to laugh at me, I work from home

Still waiting though
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Hello everyone,

Hereís my story.

In the midst of the first lockdown, mid April, I rented a car and left my canton of residence to go help my partner with a move in a different canton. Got a rental, got on the road and felt good about it. No one on the roads, lost track of speed and on the highway between Fribourg and Bern was driving 171 km/h. Got caught by the infrared radar, deducted the 7 km/h and ended up with 44 km/h over the limit.

Got charged: 25 chf from the rental for processing fees, 1000 chf fine from the court, 145 chf other court expenses, 350 chf administrative fees from the police of my canton of residence for taking my driving licence. Total 1520 chf.
Also 3 months without my driving licence, conditional fine of 30 daily rates for a probationary period of 2 years (established based on my daily income and amounting to quite a lot if I repeat the offense again).

When I got asked for the documents by the judge, I also send them a nice letter explaining how this is my very first ever offence and all these things if they desired to take them in consideration... not sure if they did..

Anyways what puzzles me now is the criminal record. I didnít really get a lot on that from nor the judge nor the police of my canton telling me more. Do I have one now by default? By reading the laws, I would say yes but the judge only mentiones that the information about the ruling will go to the public prosecutor with the copy of excerpt of criminal record. Does anyone know more about this? where could I check my file? How long does it stay visible? How serious is it (ie affecting employment, residence status etc)? To be honest, that bothers me the most, money and the ban hurt but will pass by more easily...

It feels good to share and thanks for your answers!
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

No, you don't have a criminal record because of this.

Of course there's a record of the offence, and an associated time (5 years?) that it remains 'active' and could be taken into account if further offences are committed. But it's not a criminal record and will not show up on an extract thereof if you need one for a job or any other reason.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

You can request it here for 20 chf if you want to check https://www.e-service.admin.ch/crex/...rivatauszug_en
If you have it (not clear to me), it should disappear after 2 years probation (will stay there for 10 years but invisible). They might not hand you a C permit or swiss citizenship before the probation period is over, other than that I don't think it should be a big issue.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Thanks folks!

So I did a fair part of research on this already. This is a good FAQ: https://www.bj.admin.ch/dam/bj/en/da...register-e.pdf

...but not really super clear, to me at least. My interpretation of this is that, in my case, I have a conviction for contravention of the law. This is part of the Swiss register of Criminal Records. Migration and naturalisation offices can see this.

Regarding naturalisation, me personally, have no issues as Iím very far from citizenship and C permit requirements (I just got here and Iím non EU). For migration, as the non EU quotas of my canton of employment were full when I entered, I got an L permit even if I have a long term contract. That is supposed to change after the first year to a B permit according to the HR of my company.

Furthermore, according to this FAQ, the entry in the register stays for 10 years.
And Iím still not sure if it appears on the extract for private individuals but I would say yes.
I feel annoyed to waste 20 chf just to figure that out but itís probably the easiest way. :-)

Thanks again!
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And Iím still not sure if it appears on the extract for private individuals but I would say yes.
No, as I said before, it does not.

DAMHIK, IJK, OK?
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Old 13.10.2020, 01:33
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Also 3 months without my driving licence, conditional fine of 30 daily rates for a probationary period of 2 years (established based on my daily income and amounting to quite a lot if I repeat the offense again).
As you got a monetary penalty it will be visible on the public extract at least during the probation period.

Sentencing and monetary penalty was according Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG.

Monetary penalty means you did a misdemeanor, this is less than a felony, but more than a contraventions (only a fine). Art. 10 Criminal Code. and Art. 103 Criminal Code.

Misdemeanor are entered in the Criminal Record. They will be listed for 10 years, but only publicly visible during the probation period. Art. 366, 369, and 371 Swiss Criminal Code

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The problem is that your so called knowledge does not match what the law says. So HDYK?
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Thanks!

I don’t see how in my case it’s a misdemeanor and not a contravention. The articles you cite, same as FAQ, state what is a misdemeanor and what is a contravention but there’s an obvious overlap in those definitions. I got a monetary penalty (ie a fine) and that’s it. I didn’t get any custodial sentence. So I don’t see why is it a misdemeanor. At the end probably not of the most importance. But yes, I also believe, whether its a misdemeanor or a contravention, that is in the register and that it should show up on my private extract.

Bottom line if this little fiasco leads to problems in switching of my L permit to the B permit, hats down, the law folks are too serious here so I can just pack my stuff and go somewhere else :-) will know about that in little over half a year from now.
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I got a monetary penalty (ie a fine) and that’s it..
You got a suspended monetary penalty PLUS a fine (the fine because main sentence got suspended and it should still hurt a bit). A monetary penalty and a fine are not the same thing. Monetary penalties are defined in Art. 34 - 36 Criminal Code they are used in lieu of short prison sentences.

A misdemeanor is defined as an offence that carries a custodial sentence not exceeding three years or a monetary penalty.

Felonies are offences that carry a custodial sentence of more than three years. (There is no overlap with misdemeanors).

And contraventions are acts that are punishable by a fine (also no overlap as fine =/= monetary penalty).
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

one data point:

i got my C permit whilst under the 2 year 'probation' period for speeding.

in the police interview they asked if I had any criminal record. I said yes and started explaining about the incident. He interrupted and said 'so you got a fine? so what?' and moved on as if he didn't consider it worth mentioning.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

I see. Thanks @aSwissInTheUS! The FAQ is confusing as I see it lists contraventions of the law mentioning monetary fine as well (second bullet point). and I also considered those two to be equal, as in my wording they are the same and again in the FAQ they wrote fine as well for the misdemeanour... anyways, they can call it whatever, it is what it is. :-)

@DL21 good to know. but in my case i'm probably 10 years away from the C permit so by then this whole thing should disappear in thin air. unless I want to feel free from lockdowns again and decide to feel that air in my hair and let go on the highway :-)
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i got my C permit whilst under the 2 year 'probation' period for speeding.

in the police interview they asked if I had any criminal record. I said yes and started explaining about the incident. He interrupted and said 'so you got a fine? so what?' and moved on as if he didn't consider it worth mentioning.
You had a police interview for the C Permit?
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