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Mikers 15.07.2013 21:26

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by mahbod.heidari (Post 1928297)
what happens when I am student with no salary? should I go to court personally?

If its your first offence you are unlikely to get the actual full whack fine, a colleague of mine got 120 in an 80 (actual police values after the deductions ) and they got 750chf and a 3 month ban where the official book fine would be 20 days salary.

You will get a fine but as you have no income itis likely to be their standard base level plus a ban. You wont go to prison dont worry.

quark 15.07.2013 21:52

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Originally Posted by Mikers (Post 1928325)
If its your first offence you are unlikely to get the actual full whack fine, a colleague of mine got 120 in an 80 (actual police values after the deductions ) and they got 750chf and a 3 month ban where the official book fine would be 20 days salary.

You will get a fine but as you have no income itis likely to be their standard base level plus a ban. You wont go to prison dont worry.

Was that this year?

Just interested given that things got much harsher after January 2013.

mahbod.heidari 15.07.2013 22:03

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Does that mean I can get like a discount in penalty from the judge?

Mikers 15.07.2013 22:07

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Originally Posted by quark (Post 1928359)
Was that this year?

Just interested given that things got much harsher after January 2013.

Yes, 3 months ago.

Mikers 15.07.2013 22:09

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Originally Posted by mahbod.heidari (Post 1928377)
Does that mean I can get like a discount in penalty from the judge?

Your likely to get a fixed penalty of an amount that is feasibly payable by you. Threre is no point having an income fine when you have no income. It will still cost you but don't stress out over possible prison because that's just people scaremongering.

mahbod.heidari 15.07.2013 22:24

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which canton did your friend had to go to court? can you give more precision ? Thanks I feel calmer now (since I really don't have more than 1000 chf in may savin to pay:()

Mikers 16.07.2013 00:17

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Originally Posted by mahbod.heidari (Post 1928401)
which canton did your friend had to go to court? can you give more precision ? Thanks I feel calmer now (since I really don't have more than 1000 chf in may savin to pay:()

Valais, but Vaud dealt with the fine, valais the ban (only in Switzerland..).

Don't misunderstand - its still a fine a ban and a strong telling off particularly as its a 30 zone which is normally schools present. But that should be about all.

mahbod.heidari 16.07.2013 05:44

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Originally Posted by quark (Post 1928274)
Fine of 30 days' wages (no doubt plus processing charges), assuming you have no previous serious offences:

http://www.ksbs-caps.ch/docs_aktu/MM...ung%202013.pdf

I believe you will also get an official warning, which means that any future speeding offences will be dealt with more harshly. If you had been 1 kph quicker, you would have automatically lost your license for at least one month.

so if I have understood well the ban starts from 21kph and I was 20kph more. is that right?

quark 16.07.2013 13:31

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Originally Posted by mahbod.heidari (Post 1928476)
so if I have understood well the ban starts from 21kph and I was 20kph more. is that right?

Yes, I think that is right.

stefanx 31.07.2013 13:42

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Hi all, today I had a situation... was driving on the highway and police which was driving after me stopped me for a speeding. They showed me measured report which says, my speed was from 120 until 164km/h , and there was bolded avarange 142km/h.
The policeman told me he need to send the case to the prosecutor and he will decide about "the rest". Does anybody know, how the fines counts, it will be taken in this case from avarange speed measured or from the upper value (164km/h)? Does somebody had similiar situation? I'm wondering how much penalty I can get...I know stupid me. Sorry if it was mentioned it somewhere on this forum already, I was searching but couldn't find.

Thanks for your help!

Guest 31.07.2013 13:57

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Originally Posted by stefanx (Post 1940167)
Hi all, today I had a situation... was driving on the highway and police which was driving after me stopped me for a speeding. They showed me measured report which says, my speed was from 120 until 164km/h , and there was bolded avarange 142km/h.
The policeman told me he need to send the case to the prosecutor and he will decide about "the rest". Does anybody know, how the fines counts, it will be taken in this case from avarange speed measured or from the upper value (164km/h)? Does somebody had similiar situation? I'm wondering how much penalty I can get...I know stupid me. Sorry if it was mentioned it somewhere on this forum already, I was searching but couldn't find.

Thanks for your help!

They will use the highest speed, I suspect.

And you can expect a three month driving ban and a fine of some hundreds of Francs. All dependent on the courts, both of the canton you were speeding in and of the licence issuing canton if it's not the same. If you don't get a ban then the fine is likely to be higher, well into four figures, I would expect.

In theory the fine could be very much higher than that, based on your income, but in my experience it's not often applied. But I've not been _quite_ as much over the limit as that.:eek:

Oh, and your post appears in a thread with much more useful information about how fines can be calculated, so I suggest you read all the previous posts here too. But I would stress that in my own experience the actual fines levied are very much lower than the maximum possible, which some people here are suggesting.

telandy 31.07.2013 14:10

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Originally Posted by stefanx (Post 1940167)
Hi all, today I had a situation... was driving on the highway and police which was driving after me stopped me for a speeding. They showed me measured report which says, my speed was from 120 until 164km/h , and there was bolded avarange 142km/h.
The policeman told me he need to send the case to the prosecutor and he will decide about "the rest". Does anybody know, how the fines counts, it will be taken in this case from avarange speed measured or from the upper value (164km/h)? Does somebody had similiar situation? I'm wondering how much penalty I can get...I know stupid me. Sorry if it was mentioned it somewhere on this forum already, I was searching but couldn't find.

Thanks for your help!

Many years ago I got caught 41 km over - CHF3300 fine (or 26 days in Jail) and a 3 month ban, so be prepared, fines may depend upon your salary, but you can spread them over a number of months, if you ask. You will also probably be driving after the ban on 2 years probation. Learnt my lesson and have had a couple of small speeding fines since, but nothing really to talk about. Here is the breakdown, 5KM may be taken of for the tolerance, you can also choose when you start your ban.

http://www.englishforum.ch/attachmen...eding-2013.jpg

Sean Connery 31.07.2013 14:12

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was it 164kph with the 7% they have to take off?

In the end, you're going to have a vacation from driving, that's for sure.

stefanx 31.07.2013 14:37

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Originally Posted by telandy (Post 1940181)
Many years ago I got caught 41 km over - CHF3300 fine (or 26 days in Jail) and a 3 month ban, so be prepared, fines may depend upon your salary, but you can spread them over a number of months, if you ask. You will also probably be driving after the ban on 2 years probation. Learnt my lesson and have had a couple of small speeding fines since, but nothing really to talk about. Here is the breakdown, 5KM may be taken of for the tolerance, you can also choose when you start your ban.

http://www.englishforum.ch/attachmen...eding-2013.jpg

So based on the picture below and calculator from Blick I can expect 20 or 30 "Tagessatze Geldstrafe" (depends if incl speed tolerance or not) and for sure 3 months vacation from driving as Sean Connery said. If I would choose the time slot for the ban that would be better.

telandy 31.07.2013 14:39

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Originally Posted by stefanx (Post 1940199)
So based on the picture below and calculator from Blick I can expect 20 or 30 "Tagessatze Geldstrafe" (depends if incl speed tolerance or not) and for sure 3 months vacation from driving as Sean Connery said. If I would choose the time slot for the ban that would be better.

I forgot you will also have a criminal record and it will take possibly 3-4 months for the paperwork to come through.

dodgyken 31.07.2013 14:54

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I am disappointed, I was expecting:

1) Justification for why you were going that speed
2) Reasons why you think the speed limits are too low
3) Comparison to your home country - which wouldn't have issued a fine
4) Complaints how high the fines are

Your sanguine attitude is not tolerated on EF ;)

:cool::cool::cool::cool:

Sbrinz 31.07.2013 14:57

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Originally Posted by stefanx (Post 1940199)
If I would choose the time slot for the ban that would be better.

It used to be like that, I think today you can choose the starting date of the ban, within the court's chosen 14 day period!

Get your public transport map soon! You can still ride an electric bike or a moped with pedals.

aSwissInTheUS 31.07.2013 14:59

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by stefanx (Post 1940167)
Hi all, today I had a situation... was driving on the highway and police which was driving after me stopped me for a speeding. They showed me measured report which says, my speed was from 120 until 164km/h , and there was bolded avarange 142km/h.
The policeman told me he need to send the case to the prosecutor and he will decide about "the rest".

It is average Speed. Verordnung des ASTRA zur Strassenverkehrskontrollverordnung Anhange 1 Tolerance depends on length and type of measurement. It is assumed that the tolerance is already accounted for in your posted average value.

But: You mention prosecutor, that indicates an infraction of at least 25 km /h over the limit. Were you speeding in a 100 km/h or a 80 km/h work zone?
Or did you additionally tail gate, pass on the right hand side?

stefanx 31.07.2013 15:17

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Originally Posted by dodgyken (Post 1940212)
I am disappointed, I was expecting:

1) Justification for why you were going that speed
2) Reasons why you think the speed limits are too low
3) Comparison to your home country - which wouldn't have issued a fine
4) Complaints how high the fines are

Your sanguine attitude is not tolerated on EF ;)

:cool::cool::cool::cool:

"Always Look on the Bright Side of Life..."

Ad1. Just woken up late...was trying to not get late at work. Even forgot the whole wallet but policeman said it's fine, it cost only 20CHF if you forget driving licence :cool: He could easly check in his 'portable computer' and I could see copy in color of my DL
Ad2. Because the roads/highways are very good here, 3 months old BMW and 120KM/h, those two words are not matching somehow... :p
Ad3. in my home country doesn't matter if you are Bill Gates or just a beggar, fines are not that big and for what I did here you'd receive some +8 points to your collection (24 points and your driving licence is taken from you, you need to do another exam). You would never ever go to the jail for speeding, unless you drove drunken and did injuries to others
Ad4. Fines are ridiculously high here I agree, but I decided to live here so need to accept things and rules as they are...

stefanx 31.07.2013 15:19

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 1940220)
It is average Speed. Verordnung des ASTRA zur Strassenverkehrskontrollverordnung Anhange 1 Tolerance depends on length and type of measurement. It is assumed that the tolerance is already accounted for in your posted average value.

But: You mention prosecutor, that indicates an infraction of at least 25 km /h over the limit. Were you speeding in a 100 km/h or a 80 km/h work zone?
Or did you additionally tail gate, pass on the right hand side?

I was driving on the highway (A3, from Horgen to Zurich) with 120km/h limit


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