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The English version of the FAQ is indeed confusing, at best, and misleading and wrong at worst. Looks like someone just put it through a translation tool w/o checking the output. The German version is correct and clear https://www.bj.admin.ch/dam/data/bj/...register-d.pdf
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Traffic Violation Notice Received

Good day,

I received a traffic violent notice recently.

Apparently, I exceeded the speed limit by 20 klm in a built up area.

The specifics are:

- Speed 75klm
- -5klm deduction
- Zone/Limit 50klm

Doing in excess of 20klm which puts me at 70 klm.

Any idea what I will face eg Court? Ban? Fine? Warning?

Thank you.
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Good day,

I received a traffic violent notice recently.

Apparently, I exceeded the speed limit by 20 klm in a built up area.

The specifics are:

- Speed 75klm
- -5klm deduction
- Zone/Limit 50klm

Doing in excess of 20klm which puts me at 70 klm.

Any idea what I will face eg Court? Ban? Fine? Warning?

Thank you.
If it were just a fine, you should have received the orange payment form along the notification. What else the letter says? Did they invited you for a talk?
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Re: Traffic Violation Notice Received

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If it were just a fine, you should have received the orange payment form along the notification. What else the letter says? Did they invited you for a talk?
In German it states the following: but when translated to English, the most relevant part is this "The responsible person then receives a penalty order or fine with instructions on legal remedies from the prosecutor in charge."

Ziffer(n): 303.1.d. -.flberschrniteA der Hochstgeschwindigkeit innerorts um 1-6 • 20 km/h -
Fur diese Verkehrsubertretung muss das ordentliche Verfahren (Verzeigung an die zustandige Staatsanwaltschaft) angewendet werden. Wir bitten Sie deshalb die ROckseite dieses Formulars entsprechend auszufOllen. Wird von Ihnen der Sachverhalt bestritten (Einsprache) oder sind Sie nicht selbst fur die vorliegende Ubertretung verantwortlich, so kann dies ebenfalls auf der ROckseite dieses Formulars vermerkt werden.
Das ausgefi.illte und unterzeichnete Formular muss in jedem Fall innerhalb von 10 Tagen nach Erhalt an uns zuri.ickgesendet werden.
Die verantwortliche Person erhalt anschliessend von der verfahrensfOhrenden Staatsanwaltschaft einen Strafbefehl bzw. BussenverfOgung mit Rechtsmittelbelehrung zugestellt.
Wenn die Personalien der verantwortlichen Person nicht innerhalb der aufgefOhrten Frist bekanntgegeben werden, sind wir gezwungen, diese durch die zustandige Polizeidienststelle bei Ihnen einzuholen.
Die Ubertretung ist mit Beweisbildern dokumentiert. WeiterfOhrende lnformationen finden Sie im Internet.
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Any idea what I will face eg Court? Ban? Fine? Warning?
Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Fine of approx. CHF 400, plus court fees, plus sometime later a warning from the driving license office, plus an other bill for that.
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Re: Traffic Violation Notice Received

Text in proper German with translation;

Ziffer(n): 303.1.d. Überschrniten der Höchstgeschwindigkeit innerorts um 16 - 20 km/h.
Für diese Verkehrsübertretung muss das ordentliche Verfahren (Verzeigung an die zustandige Staatsanwaltschaft) angewendet werden. Wir bitten Sie deshalb die Rückseite dieses Formulars entsprechend auszufüllen. Wird von Ihnen der Sachverhalt bestritten (Einsprache) oder sind Sie nicht selbst für die vorliegende Übertretung verantwortlich, so kann dies ebenfalls auf der Rückseite dieses Formulars vermerkt werden.
Das ausgefüllte und unterzeichnete Formular muss in jedem Fall innerhalb von 10 Tagen nach Erhalt an uns zurückgesendet werden.
Die verantwortliche Person erhält anschliessend von der verfahrensführenden Staatsanwaltschaft einen Strafbefehl bzw. Bussenverfügung mit Rechtsmittelbelehrung zugestellt.
Wenn die Personalien der verantwortlichen Person nicht innerhalb der aufgeführten Frist bekanntgegeben werden, sind wir gezwungen, diese durch die zuständige Polizeidienststelle bei Ihnen einzuholen.
Die Übertretung ist mit Beweisbildern dokumentiert. Weiterführende Informationen finden Sie im Internet.

Digit(s): 303.1.d. Exceeding the speed limit in town by 16 - 20 km/h.
For this traffic violation the ordinary [criminal] procedure (notification to the responsible public prosecutor's office) must be followed. We therefore ask you to fill in the back of this form accordingly. If you dispute the facts of the case (objection) or if you are not responsible for the violation, this can also be noted on the back of this form.
The completed and signed form must in any case be returned to us within 10 days after receiving it.
The responsible person will then receive a penalty order or fine from the public prosecutor's office conducting the proceedings, including instructions on how to appeal.
If the personal details of the responsible person are not disclosed within the specified period, we are forced to obtain them from you through the responsible police station.
The violation is documented with pictures of evidence. Further information can be found on the Internet.

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Hi there,

contrarily to most people in Switzerland I don't get flashed a lot while driving, but when I do it, it is good.

I think around 2014-2015 I got caught by a flash for speeding about 105 in a part of highway which was 80 km/h, sometimes it is hard to distinguish when they go down from 100 to 80, or from 120 to 100 somewhere in Schwyz. Anyway it happened.
It resulted on a fine of about 250 CHF if I remember well, plus a review by the judge which costed me other 250 or 300 CHF I can't remember. In practice it was a warning, as I never being caught not anything. But it seemed serious. It was 2014 or 2015.

Today, I was entering Zurich, same mistake. I thoguth I was in a "built up area" with limit 70 or 80 kmh, but instead no. Indeed I noticed that the guy infront of me was going superslow, I even thought in my mind "why is this idiot is going so slow?"(he was probably aware of the true limit), so I overtook him, exactly while doing this I got flashed. Now it this was a 50 km/h It is possible I speed up to 70 or 80. Which according to this
https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/
it results in a summon (Outside built-up areas 21-25 km/h over the limit)

Now my questions.

1. Is it possible that it will end up the same way of the last time (again a warning), as the first time it happened 5 or more years ago? In some threads I read that the probation period is 2 years, somewhere that it is 2 month, but in my documents it says that this violation are kept in the registry for 10 years.

2. In case it won't be a warning. What am I risking? A higher fine >1000 CHF, and the ban to drive for 1 month I assume. Can I choose when this ban will happen, or they decide. I am asking because I will be away Europe in March and April, and definitely I won't need the driving license.

Note: I am resident in Switzerland.
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contrarily to most people in Switzerland I don't get flashed a lot while driving, but when I do it, it is good.
That is certainly worthy of this thread. If you were clocked with more than 20 km/h over the posted speed limit it is considered as a serious traffic law violation (Grobeb Verkehrsregelverletzung).

As explained in the very first post of this thread there are two separate procedures which will run in parallel: The criminal process and the administrative process.

The incident from 2015 should have no impact regarding administrative measures (warning/driving ban). With 20 km/h over inside the urban/build area you have to face a 3 month ban.

The case from 5 years ago might have a slight impact on the criminal procedure. Means the fine or monetary penalty could be a bit higher than it would be for a first time offender. In case of 20 km/h over inside the ban/build area you have to face a monetary penalty of 20 - 30 days. It will be most likely on probation only. In addition you will have to pay a fine of around CHF 600 plus the court fees. For more details read the first few post of this thread.

Apart from the autobahn there are, as far as I am aware no 80 or 70 km/h stretches inside the build up area (Save some short stretches just before or after the city limit sign). If in doubt assume it is 60 km/h at most. In case of Zurich even those are pretty rare (Bernstrasse Nord and Süd or the short stretch of Allmendstrasse come to my mind).
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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Hello everyone,

Here’s my story.

In the midst of the first lockdown, mid April, I rented a car and left my canton of residence to go help my partner with a move in a different canton. Got a rental, got on the road and felt good about it. No one on the roads, lost track of speed and on the highway between Fribourg and Bern was driving 171 km/h. Got caught by the infrared radar, deducted the 7 km/h and ended up with 44 km/h over the limit.

Got charged: 25 chf from the rental for processing fees, 1000 chf fine from the court, 145 chf other court expenses, 350 chf administrative fees from the police of my canton of residence for taking my driving licence. Total 1520 chf.
Also 3 months without my driving licence, conditional fine of 30 daily rates for a probationary period of 2 years (established based on my daily income and amounting to quite a lot if I repeat the offense again).

When I got asked for the documents by the judge, I also send them a nice letter explaining how this is my very first ever offence and all these things if they desired to take them in consideration... not sure if they did..

Anyways what puzzles me now is the criminal record. I didn’t really get a lot on that from nor the judge nor the police of my canton telling me more. Do I have one now by default? By reading the laws, I would say yes but the judge only mentiones that the information about the ruling will go to the public prosecutor with the copy of excerpt of criminal record. Does anyone know more about this? where could I check my file? How long does it stay visible? How serious is it (ie affecting employment, residence status etc)? To be honest, that bothers me the most, money and the ban hurt but will pass by more easily...

It feels good to share and thanks for your answers!
I must admit, been in Switzerland for 10 years and never managed to get to 130 leave alone 170 on highways. Very brave and a bit silly. Because you not only endanger yourself but also others on the road. Please drive carefully......
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I must admit, been in Switzerland for 10 years and never managed to get to 130 leave alone 170 on highways.
Good grief. What are you driving, a milk float?
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I must admit, been in Switzerland for 10 years and never managed to get to 130 leave alone 170 on highways. Very brave and a bit silly. Because you not only endanger yourself but also others on the road. Please drive carefully......
Agreed, driving so slowly on the motorway is a risk for others.
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Re: Flashed again after 5 years

I have a follow up question. Assuming, I was really so above the speed (I haven't received yet the fine), 2 fines within 10 years is a lot I assume. There are 2 registry the public and the one only visible to judges and immigration office. I just received the new Strafregisterauszug which was immaculate (the thing of 5-6 years ago was not shown), but the judges will probably see both. Am I risking, to not have renewed my visa if something else happen? Or the three strikes rule apply only for the request to becoming Swiss.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

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A milk float sounds fun..... :-)
On a more serious note, when the speed limit is 120 kmph, anything more than 125 is asking for a fine or something more serious. Why not just follow the rules?
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Hey guys!

After 9 years of being a good rider my time finally came.
I was riding my motorcycle up the Gotthard pass (on the Ticino side) to avoid the long queue at the tunnel. The first few kms are semi-highway (100km/h) and I totally missed the sign that signals the end of it. The road is basically the same, so one wouldn't immediately realize that the speed limit is different and unfortunately there aren't any speed signs at all that indicate the new speed.

I was convinced that the speed limit was 100 and I was doing 110 (according to the laser that got me), a month later I got the nasty letter telling me that after the deduction of 4km/h I was 26km/h over the speed limit.

I called the radar office and I was told that I'm likely looking at a 600 CHF fine and a warning, but I'm more and more convinced that they guy on the phone mistakenly believed I was on the highway because according to the information I gathered from this thread I should get at least a 1 month suspension.

So right now I have about a week to mail back any notes or explanation if I desire to do so, my questions are the following:

1) Does it actually matter if I explain the whole situation? I got caught 2km after the semi-highway ended and there were no speed signs other than the end sign (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/46.5...b1!4m2!4m1!3e0)
2) Would I risk in incurring in higher court fees if I attach any notes at all? I'd guess that someone would have to actually process it so it wouldn't just be handled "automatically"
3) Are there any chances that the minimum of 1 month is waived if I have no priors?


I was wrong, and it sucks because I just missed a sign... however the anxiety is killing me.
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Yeah there isn't much I would be explaining, the judge doesn't care if I saw the sign or not, nor if there were any subsequent speed signs. That would be my only leverage.

I'm just going to take the license suspension and the damn ticket like a man and that's it.
I just hope they hurry up in handing me the suspension because if it happens in winter I'm screwed.
Now off to being more than good for 2 years.

Glad i'm not alone in this club, though I hope for a lighter via sicura in the future, it's crazy how much it costs to make such a stupid mistake.
Update on my adventure!
In october I finally received the ticket of 570 CHF

last friday I received the notification of a 1 month suspension of my driving license. They were definitely holding it back for xmas!

Oh well, that hopefully concludes it. Lesson learned? Don't miss an end of semi-highway sign
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Oh well, that hopefully concludes it.
Expect a bill for your license suspension.

Merry Christmas.
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

hold on,
today I passed by the road after Escherwyss and I realized it was with limit 30 when its very large (you can easily mistake it for a 50km/h road), according to the info if you speed over 31 in a 30km/h area, you go to jail... i dont think it s that difficult in this case. Any experience of people really ending up to jail? Can you defend yourself somehow and pay fines svoiding jail?
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today I passed by the road after Escherwyss and I realized it was with limit 30 when its very large (you can easily mistake it for a 50km/h road), according to the info if you speed over 31 in a 30km/h area, you go to jail... i dont think it s that difficult in this case. Any experience of people really ending up to jail? Can you defend yourself somehow and pay fines svoiding jail?
The jail sentence will almost always be suspended for first-time serious offenders, which means no jail unless you commit a serious infraction again during the prescribed suspension or probationary period.

If you receive a suspended jail sentence, you will almost certainly have your driving licence suspended for a lengthy period, too. This could be a blessing in disguise, as (unless you are very stupid) it should remove the possibility of you re-offending during the probationary period and being sent to jail.

You can't pay fines to avoid jail. In fact, offenders who are sentenced to a suspended jail sentence have to pay a fine anyway, on top of the Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads for 2+ years.

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I must admit, been in Switzerland for 10 years and never managed to get to 130 leave alone 170 on highways. Very brave and a bit silly. Because you not only endanger yourself but also others on the road. Please drive carefully......
absolutely true, i fully acknowledge that. my only excuse is that, as i wrote, the roads were deserted - there was absolutely no one in sight due to the lockdown and i got carried away. still, as the judge ruled, that's not a valid excuse i haven't been driving more than 120 km/h ever since (i did my three months ban already).

except in germany. which is very close to me as i'm in basel and the stretch to freiburg has no limits. strange how perspective can change quickly... makes you wonder who has the right rules...
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

So, it came today.
It is 24km/h over the limit of 50 km/h area, damn if I was not overtaking I would have been for sure under.

From the first link post. I gather that for violation below 25km/h (swoosh) it is 600 CHF and not counted on days of salary + Court cost will b 430 (1030 CHF).
I guess it is up to the police then about the warning or one month ban (I am prepared for both). Am I right?
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