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Guest 31.07.2013 16:00

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 1940217)
It used to be like that, I think today you can choose the starting date of the ban, within the court's chosen 14 day period!

I think it might be a month, not fourteen days. But yes, they give you a grace period, and the ban starts from the day you send your licence back to them, or the end of said period. And if you haven't sent it back they promise to send a the local Police round to take it away from you...

Lou 31.07.2013 16:08

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It can also be postponed for extenuating circumstances but they have to be good.

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I think it might be a month, not fourteen days. But yes, they give you a grace period, and the ban starts from the day you send your licence back to them, or the end of said period. And if you haven't sent it back they promise to send a the local Police round to take it away from you...

stefanx 24.08.2013 19:13

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I finally got informed how it ends...received a post from Strassenverkehrsamt Zurich about the driving licence consequences: I have received a warning, saying that if for the next 2 years similiar thing happens I will lose my driving licence for _at least_ 3 months. For now it's ok. Regarding fine, they said I will receive separate post with bill to pay, however person I spoken to by the phone didn't know how much it will be. They only said I will receive separate bill to pay from them and separate one from "Statthelteramt Horgen".

Then yesterday I've received another letter from Statthelteramt with numbers.
Firsly, small amendment, I was actually driving 29km over the (120km/h) limit - includinf tolerance and for this I got the fine 330 CHF plus court case cost which is 670 CHF in total. If I don't pay, I need to spend 4 days in a hotel without any star :)

So luckily, there was "only" warning for that, not criminal case. Anyway lesson has been learnt, no speeding any longer :P

aSwissInTheUS 28.08.2013 13:59

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Originally Posted by stefanx (Post 1959146)
I finally got informed how it ends...received a post from Strassenverkehrsamt Zurich about the driving licence consequences: I have received a warning, saying that if for the next 2 years similiar thing happens I will lose my driving licence for _at least_ 3 months. For now it's ok. Regarding fine, they said I will receive separate post with bill to pay, however person I spoken to by the phone didn't know how much it will be. They only said I will receive separate bill to pay from them and separate one from "Statthalteramt Horgen".

Their (Strassenverkehrsamt Zurich) bill for the Verwarnung will be another CHF 250.. :msncrazy:

http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...hr/GEBama.html

Eiger_ 01.09.2013 15:29

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Is there a similar applicable chart that shows a correlated speed offense in km/h in brackets vs the months ban one receives therein, or would this vary from Kanton to Kanton?

Guest 01.09.2013 22:25

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Originally Posted by Eiger_ (Post 1965081)
Is there a similar applicable chart that shows a correlated speed offense in km/h in brackets vs the months ban one receives therein, or would this vary from Kanton to Kanton?

These things are done on a case by case basis, with variability depending on all sorts of things, possibly including what side of bed the judge got out of on a given morning. The seriousness of the offence isn't solely based on the amount over the limit, but also would take into account what the road and traffic conditions were like as well as your own driving record.

aSwissInTheUS 02.09.2013 18:12

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Originally Posted by Eiger_ (Post 1965081)
Is there a similar applicable chart that shows a correlated speed offense in km/h in brackets vs the months ban one receives therein, or would this vary from Kanton to Kanton?

It was already mentioned in the first post, but here again:
Attachment 57207

The above list has two brackets ragarding license suspensions:
The first one has the heading "Einfache Verletzung der Verkehrsregeln /Simple infraction of traffic rules".

This has two subbrackets, the infractions labled with Ordnungsbussenverfahren. This will end in a simple fine as defined in 'the official price list', no warning, no ban (but only if you did not endanger anyone at all).

Anything which cannot be resolved with a Ordnungsbusse/Simple fine will result in front of the judge and you risk at least a warning Art 16 Ziff 2 SVG.
Warnings are defined in Art 16a SVG. If you had a warning or a licensense suspension in the previous two years your license will be suspended for one month. But depending on road condition/weather/visbility/traffic etc. it could also mean a suspension according to Art. 16b. This will be at least a one month ban for first time offenders and at least four month if there was a suspension in the previous two years. Repeated offenders risk a life time ban.


The second bracket has the heading "Grobe Verletzung von Verkehrsregel/ Serious infraction of traffic rules". This will result in a license suspension of at least three month according to Art. 16c. Repeated infractions will result in a longer suspension up to a life time driving ban.
If you comit any of the infraction labled with "ab 1 Jahr Freiheitsstrafe/at least one year jail" you will get at least a two year license suspension. Art. 90 and Art. 16c.

Here are the problems: The law says "at least" you may get more than the minimum. The table above is only the normal case certain cicumstances may shift the definition between simple infraction and serious infraction. The table is what the prosecutor request not what the judge will give. It is not the judges decision how long the suspension will be, it will be the traffic departement who will decide based on the judges rulling and the law.

martin959 25.11.2013 15:58

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Sorry, i didnt quite get it, in which cases you can go to jail for speeding? :eek:

I guess that much people there in Switzerland drive like a "Sir" there, and speeds a little bit on other countries... :p (which, for the ones who likes to drive a little bit faster its quite understandable :p)

No ones buys a sportscar to never speed it, even a little bit... :rolleyes:

glinaa 25.11.2013 16:22

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Originally Posted by martin959 (Post 2028862)
Sorry, i didnt quite get it, in which cases you can go to jail for speeding? :eek:

I guess that much people there in Switzerland drive like a "Sir" there, and speeds a little bit on other countries... :p (which, for the ones who likes to drive a little bit faster its quite understandable :p)

No ones buys a sportscar to never speed it, even a little bit... :rolleyes:

You're wrong. It's most often a status thing, and not a boy racer complex.
Lots of people in Switzerland buy supercars and don't even drive them because the Merc is more comfortable anyway.

martin959 25.11.2013 17:03

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Originally Posted by glinaa (Post 2028890)
You're wrong. It's most often a status thing, and not a boy racer complex.
Lots of people in Switzerland buy supercars and don't even drive them because the Merc is more comfortable anyway.

So, if you own an Evo, a GTR, or a STI then you have status? hahaha because there are not "status" cars... at least not those :p

Not all sport cars are classy... :) there are a lot of cars, "non-luxury" or "exotic" cars that are quite sport, that people not exactly buys them because of the "look" or the "status"... :p

glinaa 25.11.2013 20:39

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Originally Posted by martin959 (Post 2028947)
So, if you own an Evo, a GTR, or a STI then you have status? hahaha because there are not "status" cars... at least not those :p

Oh but indeed, these also say a lot about their drivers.

I'd risk to say that owners of these cars are statistically more likely to end up in jail for speeding.

martin959 25.11.2013 20:59

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Originally Posted by glinaa (Post 2029135)
Oh but indeed, these also say a lot about their drivers.

I'd risk to say that owners of these cars are statistically more likely to end up in jail for speeding.

Hahahahaha Im a Impreza GT owner, and Im quite careful while driving :)

I think there are great cars, sports and at the same time family cars :)

Darzales 12.01.2014 11:34

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Hi there..

I don't currently live in Switserland yet I may have some business trips there.. Got this link from a friend and I really find all these rules rather on the exaggerated zone. Here, in Poland, you often see people driving at 90-100km/h in town (on a 50km/h limit) and I have seen way less accidents than in Czech Republic, where people are driving 45 km/h on a 50 limit. Why? Because people here are much more aware that BEING HURT BY A CAR HURTS! Therefore, they LOOK BEFORE crossing the streets :)

What I am saying is that.. With these rules, pedestrians are pushed to thing that crossing a motorized street is their right and some might be pushed to not even look as the know that everyone MUST be driving at a decent limit, putting all their faith in drivers that may not see nor care about other's life. But if the culture is set to not care while passing the streets than that's rather sad.

Point is LOOK before you are crossing the streets.

And it would be great to cut on those silly, slightly retarded fines / court things.

SOBEIT 12.01.2014 11:36

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Originally Posted by Darzales (Post 2060955)
Hi there..

I don't currently live in Switserland yet I may have some business trips there.. Got this link from a friend and I really find all these rules rather on the exaggerated zone. Here, in Poland, you often see people driving at 90-100km/h in town (on a 50km/h limit) and I have seen way less accidents than in Czech Republic, where people are driving 45 km/h on a 50 limit. Why? Because people here are much more aware that BEING HURT BY A CAR HURTS! Therefore, they LOOK BEFORE crossing the streets :)

What I am saying is that.. With these rules, pedestrians are pushed to thing that crossing a motorized street is their right and some might be pushed to not even look as the know that everyone MUST be driving at a decent limit, putting all their faith in drivers that may not see nor care about other's life. But if the culture is set to not care while passing the streets than that's rather sad.

Point is LOOK before you are crossing the streets.

And it would be great to cut on those silly, slightly retarded fines / court things.

Welcome.

Guest 12.01.2014 13:14

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Originally Posted by Darzales (Post 2060955)
I don't currently live in Switserland.

You're not really in much of a position to comment on Swiss driving laws, then, are you?

Darzales 12.01.2014 14:02

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You're not really in much of a position to comment on Swiss driving laws, then, are you?
Dear fella, I am travelling a lot by car across Europe and, sorry, but your comment sounds rather communist'ish - I think I am allowed to express an opinion, am I not?

My only idea was that if people would look more where they are going, nobody would need such ridiculous laws - I my humble opinion didn't hurt too much :)

Cheers!

Sbrinz 12.01.2014 14:12

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Originally Posted by Darzales (Post 2060955)
Hi there. I don't currently live in Switserland yet I may have some business trips there.. Got this link from a friend and I really find all these rules rather on the exaggerated zone. Here, in Poland, you often see people driving at 90-100km/h in town (on a 50km/h limit)

Here we have blind and poorly sighted people using the road and sometimes crossing them too. Our children go to school by themselves and crossing busy roads during the rush hour, even from the age of 5 to 7 years old!

If we had irresponsible drivers here our death rates would be much, much higher. As it is, each year the numbers killed on our roads are falling slightly every year. Either the pedestrians became more careful, or the drivers became more responsible. Which do you think? - Oh yeah you hinted that pedestrians would be injured first, and then they would look carefully before crossing the road.... :mad:

On your next visit here, please drive very carefully. Foreigners can be fined and jailed as well as the locals!

3Wishes 12.01.2014 14:28

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You're not really in much of a position to comment on Swiss driving laws, then, are you?
This guy has a point, Darzales. Did you know that Swiss law requires drivers to STOP the vehicle if there is a pedestrian just waiting to cross the road? Even if they are not yet on the zebra stripes? So there is no "look both ways" for pedestrians here at all. They can walk out in front of you without looking and you the driver are at fault, whether you are speeding or not. The speeding fines are set with safety in mind, but they are not just to do with pedestrians that don't bother to pay attention. ;)

porsch1909 12.01.2014 14:56

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Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 2061088)
This guy has a point, Darzales. Did you know that Swiss law requires drivers to STOP the vehicle if there is a pedestrian just waiting to cross the road? Even if they are not yet on the zebra stripes? So there is no "look both ways" for pedestrians here at all. They can walk out in front of you without looking and you the driver are at fault, whether you are speeding or not. The speeding fines are set with safety in mind, but they are not just to do with pedestrians that don't bother to pay attention. ;)

I think this was changed last year and the pedestrian has to make eye contact with the driver or wait until he stops before crossing. At least in Zurich that is.

http://www.englishforum.ch/transport...ing-rules.html

A searched link...since you love to pull newbies up on such things

3Wishes 12.01.2014 15:07

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2061104)
I think this was changed last year and the pedestrian has to make eye contact with the driver or wait until he stops before crossing. At least in Zurich that is.

http://www.englishforum.ch/transport...ing-rules.html

A searched link...since you love to pull newbies up on such things

;) Read the second post on that thread. No change to the law (at least outside of ZH), just some good advice to drivers and pedestrians.


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