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SOBEIT 28.02.2014 09:30

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 2100315)
Ah ok. That wasn't clear from your post.
72 in a 30 zone would be a huge fine, plus suspension of licence and a note on your driving record.

Indeed, not forgetting a few nights in the spare bedroom and the silent treatment.

aSwissInTheUS 28.02.2014 09:40

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Originally Posted by Superfast (Post 2100302)
Regarding confiscating the car there is defined law? For example in Innerorts what is the speed?

Added it to the original post.

aSwissInTheUS 10.04.2014 11:52

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Added Criminal record and more details on simple fines. Especially responsibility of owner to pay a simple fine.

porsch1909 10.04.2014 12:07

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2130934)
Added Criminal record and more details on simple fines. Especially responsibility of owner to pay a simple fine.

The court fee one is certainly interesting. My friend was driving my car and got flashed by a camera going 1kph over. 40CHF fine IIRC.

I forgot about it but when looking through my papers found it and paid it (late). It didn't stop Zurich police sending me a bill for 120CHF (dated for after I paid the fine). I had to pay the 120CHF and wait for them to send me a refund slip for the 40CHF.

Will just drive myself next time!

Sbrinz 04.05.2014 15:20

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The new harsher driving laws have thrown up a controversy: the police may now be prosecuted for driving too fast! I produce a Google translation and the links,

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/wes...id2829523.html

http://www.lenouvelliste.ch/fr/suiss...ds-479-1289517

According to the Western Swiss Police Trade Union Confederation ( USPRO ) The traffic safety program «Via Sicura " has produced undesirable effects: even police officers who are going too fast in service would, in part, be prosecuted, the USPRO said on Friday .

"There have already been in western Switzerland some cases in which police officers were prosecuted for speeding in emergencies," USPRO President Jean- Philippe Rochat said on request of the news agency SDA . They present the police with a crisis of conscience - sometimes they would now hesitate to press hard on the accelerator , even though it was necessary Rochat said.

The West Swiss Police Trade Union Confederation has criticized the problem "The Via Sicura" directive was "too general". "We hope that the Road Traffic Act is amended so that this problem is resolved ," Rochat said. He made it clear that the USPRO is not defending those police officers who are driving unnecessarily fast.

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marton 04.05.2014 15:52

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2146382)
The new harsher driving laws have thrown up a controversy: the police may now be prosecuted for driving too fast! I produce a Google translation and the links,

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/wes...id2829523.html

http://www.lenouvelliste.ch/fr/suiss...ds-479-1289517

According to the Western Swiss Police Trade Union Confederation ( USPRO ) The traffic safety program «Via Sicura " has produced undesirable effects: even police officers who are going too fast in service would, in part, be prosecuted, the USPRO said on Friday .

"There have already been in western Switzerland some cases in which police officers were prosecuted for speeding in emergencies," USPRO President Jean- Philippe Rochat said on request of the news agency SDA . They present the police with a crisis of conscience - sometimes they would now hesitate to press hard on the accelerator , even though it was necessary Rochat said.

The West Swiss Police Trade Union Confederation has criticized the problem "The Via Sicura" directive was "too general". "We hope that the Road Traffic Act is amended so that this problem is resolved ," Rochat said. He made it clear that the USPRO is not defending those police officers who are driving unnecessarily fast.

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I read somewhere that ambulance and fire brigade drivers could also be prosecuted, not sure if that is true?

Funny this new law is supposed to bring in harsher penalties for speeders but how can the police catch them if they themselves are not allowed to speed. :D

Guest 04.05.2014 17:21

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2146406)
how can the police catch them if they themselves are not allowed to speed. :D

The cameras get you, not the traffic police. When's the last time you got pulled over for speeding in Switzerland?

Lou 04.05.2014 17:27

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1998

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the cameras get you, not the traffic police. When's the last time you got pulled over for speeding in switzerland?

SOBEIT 04.05.2014 17:34

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2014. However, they got the wrong car and it turned out to be the one coming up behind me. They apologies and then pulled the other car over.

marton 04.05.2014 20:34

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The cameras get you, not the traffic police. When's the last time you got pulled over for speeding in Switzerland?
About "When's the last time you got pulled over for speeding in Switzerland?" I think that is what is known as a limited statistical sample.

I do keep reading in the newspapers about people crashing while being pursued by the police - I suppose those days are over.

I also suppose that bank robbers who steal a car to make their getaway are not too bothered about cameras?

aSwissInTheUS 04.05.2014 20:51

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2146382)
The new harsher driving laws have thrown up a controversy: the police may now be prosecuted for driving too fast! I produce a Google translation and the links,

[...]

The West Swiss Police Trade Union Confederation has criticized the problem "The Via Sicura" directive was "too general". "We hope that the Road Traffic Act is amended so that this problem is resolved ," Rochat said. He made it clear that the USPRO is not defending those police officers who are driving unnecessarily fast.

Chap should read the law or has a problem that donut runs are not "emergencies".

Art. 100 Swiss Road Traffic Act
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4. The driver of a fire engine, ambulance, police, or customs vehicle can not be prosecuted for violating traffic rules and the special orders for the traffic during an emergency if he used the necessary warning signals and due care which was required by the circumstance and conditions.

marton 04.05.2014 21:01

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2146628)
Chap should read the law or has a problem that donut runs are not "emergencies".

Art. 100 Swiss Road Traffic Act

I thought the issue is that the Via Secura rules replace parts of the old/existing Swiss Road Traffic Act?

aSwissInTheUS 04.05.2014 21:11

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2146635)
I thought the issue is that the Via Secura rules replace parts of the old/existing Swiss Road Traffic Act?

Not Art. 100
The Via Secura http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official-.../2012/6291.pdf
Update on schedule: http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official-.../2013/4669.pdf

Next changes due: 1. Januar 2015, Damages done during a DUI or serious speeding have to be paid partly by driver.

marton 04.05.2014 21:48

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2146643)
Not Art. 100
The Via Secura http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official-.../2012/6291.pdf
Update on schedule: http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official-.../2013/4669.pdf

Next changes due: 1. Januar 2015, Damages done during a DUI or serious speeding have to be paid partly by driver.

My insurance company "Zurich" have already adopted this approach; I got a letter some weeks ago. Makes one wonder why one pays insurance.

Sbrinz 30.06.2014 12:06

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Under the Via Sicura changes to the traffic laws, most were introduced in January 2014 (See this thread, above) but one has sneaked in starting 01 July 2014. (I will copy in the whole thing in case anything has been missed)
Similar to the laws in Germany, there will now be a panel of experts whom investigate serious driving offences. These include: Driving very fast (Twice the speed limit) Drunk driving with more than 1,6 parts per thousand. Driving under the influence of addictive drugs. These experts, mainly psychologists, have the powers to permanently remove your driving license.
__________________________________________________ ____________
Beginning 1 January 2014
the second packet of the traffic safety program "Via Sicura" is implemented. The corresponding measures are staggered into force. Included in the second package are the mandatory driving with daytime running lights, an alcohol ban on certain groups of people and the vehicle owner/holder liability for fines.

Alcohol prohibition for certain groups of drivers:
Driving under the influence of alcohol (≥ 0.10 parts per thousand) is prohibited for:
- Professional drivers (truck, bus, dangerous transport)
- New drivers (driving license holder on probation)
- Learner and student drivers
- Driving instructors and teachers
- Accompanying persons of learning motor cyclists

Compulsory driving with daytime running lights:
Motor vehicles (eg, passenger cars, vans and trucks, cars) and motorcycles have daytime running lights.
Exempted from this obligation are mopeds, E-bikes and bicycles, as well as vehicles that have been placed on the market before 1970. Anyone who violates the commandment to daytime running lights, shall be punished by a fine of CHF 40.

Owner's liability for fines (Note, the husband will have to pay for non working wife's fines)
Traffic fines must be paid by the owner or by the keeper of a vehicle, if the offending driver is not known.

Introduction of a claims history statement (No claims statement)
If you want to change the motor vehicle liability insurance, you can demand from the previous insurance company, a claims history or a free from damage declaration.
__________________________________________________
Beginning July 1, 2014

Compulsory clarification of fitness for driving
If you drive with a blood alcohol concentration of 1.6 parts per thousand or more, (Very drunk) there must be a clarification on your fitness to drive by an expert traffic practitioner. This applies also to other kinds of traffic crimes, Driving under influence of addictive drugs, Extremely fast driving (twice speed limit). You can be banned from driving for life!

Sources:
http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/verkehrssicherheit/00236/index.html?lang=de

http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/ver...x.html?lang=de

http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/ver..._JjKbNoKSn6A--

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/28506106
(In June 2012, the Parliament adopted the Road Safety Programme "Via sicura". The measures contained therein to be implemented in several packages. The measures contained in the first packet in force since 1 January 2013. The second package comes in three tranches in force - on 1 January 2014, on 1 July 2014 and 1 January 2015 the Federal Council decided at its meeting today, the associated measures.. )
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marton 30.06.2014 12:34

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Risk is that this expert committee will play it safe and ban everyone for life :eek:

k_and_e 30.06.2014 13:03

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2188495)
Risk is that this expert committee will play it safe and ban everyone for life :eek:

As a next step, per 1 January 2015, the following groups of people will be banned from driving: foreigners, women, old people (45+), non-SVP voters, residents of Aargau and all cars with more than 75 BHP.;)

marton 30.06.2014 13:29

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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2188530)
As a next step, per 1 January 2015, the following groups of people will be banned from driving: foreigners, women, old people (45+), non-SVP voters, residents of Aargau and all cars with more than 75 BHP.;)

Shurely you mean "all cars with more than 25 BHP"? :D

Sbrinz 30.06.2014 13:33

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Maybe new to us, but most of these rules have been the law in Germany for years. The interview by the experts was always feared, as they try to trick you into admitting you are an alcoholic or a secret killer.

Fish Paste 30.06.2014 13:40

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2188471)
__________________________________________________
Beginning July 1, 2014

Compulsory clarification of fitness for driving
If you drive with a blood alcohol concentration of 1.6 parts per thousand or more, (Very drunk) there must be a clarification on your fitness to drive by an expert traffic practitioner. This applies also to other kinds of traffic crimes, Driving under influence of addictive drugs, Extremely fast driving (twice speed limit).

You can be banned from driving for life!

Good!


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