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marton 30.06.2014 13:49

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Originally Posted by Sbrinz (Post 2188471)
This applies also to other kinds of traffic crimes, Driving under influence of addictive drugs, Extremely fast driving (twice speed limit). You can be banned from driving for life!

Seems excessive; if you kill someone then you can be jailed "for life" but in reality that is circa 7 years.

Sean Connery 30.06.2014 16:21

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If I manage to get my new motorbike away from the dealer without binning it, I'll let you know how this is later in the week.......if they can catch me :D

whitts_s1 02.07.2014 10:41

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This year I have paid in excess of 800Sfr. in speeding fines. FML

st2lemans 02.07.2014 10:47

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Originally Posted by Sean Connery (Post 2188721)
If I manage to get my new motorbike away from the dealer without binning it, I'll let you know how this is later in the week.......if they can catch me :D

Riding today? :confused:

Tom

st2lemans 02.07.2014 10:47

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Originally Posted by whitts_s1 (Post 2189948)
This year I have paid in excess of 800Sfr. in speeding fines. FML

That's what I've paid out over the past 28 years! :eek:

Tom

whitts_s1 02.07.2014 10:49

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2189957)
That's what I've paid out over the past 28 years! :eek:

Tom

Wish I could say the same. Im not a dangerous driver, just severly unlucky!

They`re always petit ones like +6kmh. So frustrating :mad:

bigblue2 02.07.2014 11:01

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Originally Posted by whitts_s1 (Post 2189960)
Wish I could say the same. Im not a dangerous driver, just severly unlucky!

They`re always petit ones like +6kmh. So frustrating :mad:


No they are not! not unless you have had something like 20 of them, or you're speeding in a 30 zone

your fines would suggest you are a dangerous driver, sorry.

enguete 02.07.2014 11:05

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This whole thing has made me paranoid about driving at all in Switzerland.

They seem to be putting cameras in every corner in the big cities now and will fine you for the craziest of things. I heard of a girl getting fined for not driving when the light went green (who hasn't been distracted during a red light and driven when the driver behind you honks?) Well here the light had already changed to red and she got a 250 CHF fine for obstructing the traffic or whatever!

With all the cameras i find myself being a less observant driver. Instead of driving carefully, following the pace of the traffic and using common sense like I'm used to, I'm not constantly paranoid that its actually a 30 zone when I'm going 45 and have missed the sign or whatever, its constantly on my mind.

whitts_s1 02.07.2014 11:06

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Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 2189979)
No they are not! not unless you have had something like 20 of them, or you're speeding in a 30 zone

your fines would suggest you are a dangerous driver, sorry.

Ill agree to disagree. :cool:

bigblue2 02.07.2014 11:09

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Originally Posted by whitts_s1 (Post 2189982)
Ill agree to disagree. :cool:


given you're speedo reads around 10% more then you're actually going, and the tolerance of the camera etc to be caught going over 30kph in a 30kph zone you're car is reading close 40kph, to be caught once is unfortunate, to be caught multiple times suggest otherwise.

SOBEIT 02.07.2014 11:17

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Cyclist ride faster in 30 zone, why are they excempt?

Assassin 02.07.2014 11:42

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Originally Posted by SOBEIT (Post 2189992)
Cyclist ride faster in 30 zone, why are they excempt?

Because they have no means of measuring the speed at which they are traveling at. And to be fair, if you're on a pushbike in the city rather than a luxury car, you're not going to be worth more than a few bucks of a fine than if you're a big earner.

Tasebo 02.07.2014 11:52

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THIS is serious speeding on more than one account:


Driver Keith Millard caught doing 150mph with four children only slowed to 90mph because of A14 traffic near Cambridge
Written byRAYMOND BROWN

08/07/02 A14 sign. Photo: Dave Harwood
A driver was caught near Histon after travelling at 150mph while four young children were in the car without seatbelts – and only heavy traffic on the A14 slowed him to 90mph.
Keith Millard, 27, of Blakewell Road, Berwick-upon-Tweed, was spotted driving a black Mercedes 320 down the A1 at Norman Cross by officers carrying out a speed check at about 9.35pm on September 14.
Officers followed the car to the A14 where it slowed to about 90mph due to heavy traffic, allowing officers to catch up and it was pulled over close to the M11 split.
When officers got to the vehicle, a woman was sat in the passenger seat, while in the back were: six-month old twins in car seats facing forwards and not secured with seatbelts; a one-year-old girl asleep on the seat between the twins and a two-year-old boy in the footwell.
Millard told officers he was trying to get to Dover in time to board the last ferry to Germany after missing a vessel in Hull.
Investigations revealed that the Mercedes was Millard’s father’s, but he was not insured to drive it.
He was summonsed to court charged with dangerous driving and driving with no insurance.
However, Millard failed to attend the initial hearing and was arrested at Edinburgh Airport when he flew back into Scotland. Cambridgeshire officers travelled up to Scotland to bring him back to the county.
He admitted both charges and was jailed for 20 weeks at Peterborough Crown Court on Tuesday, June 17.
He was also banned from driving for three years and will have to sit a further test before being given his licence back, ordered to pay £600 costs and a £100 victim surcharge.
Sergeant Gordon Murray said: “It is shocking to think of the danger that Millard put these young children in.
“Not only would any collision, or loss of control, at such speeds have potentially tragic consequences for both the driver and other road users, but the effect on unrestrained toddlers would almost certainly have been fatal.
“It is only through sheer luck, that no one was injured or killed by his driving and this case should send a strong message that such reckless behaviour will not be tolerated by police or the courts.”
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aSwissInTheUS 02.07.2014 11:59

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Originally Posted by SOBEIT (Post 2189992)
Cyclist ride faster in 30 zone, why are they excempt?

Because they have no motor. But they could still be fined for excessive speed. Art. 33 SVG.

yacek 02.07.2014 12:29

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A ton of rigid steel is potentially more damaging than a 15kg of a bike and 80kg of acyclist.
30kmph means 30km is the limit. I wander what you do if a kid jumps out in the front of your vehicle, or worse, on a scooter?
With such an history if you were flashed really speeding then a judge could be hm, biased.

jonnyboy 07.07.2014 20:27

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I was driving back from Luzern to Geneva after picking up a new car, and was following another one when I forgot to break down when entering a tunnel, 129km in a 100 zone, on the Autobhan, so 29km/h over. To me it seems I was a bit lucky since it is not 30 or more over, which would have resulted in Geldstrafe. Do I understand it correctly?
Really unlucky one this one, since I always slows down when entering a tunnel, I guess i did not feel the speed as I used to in the new car, no excuse.

I got a letter from the Fribourg Police asking me to fill out the owner of the car or the person in charge of the driving.

aSwissInTheUS 10.07.2014 12:03

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Originally Posted by jonnyboy (Post 2193461)
I was driving back from Luzern to Geneva after picking up a new car, and was following another one when I forgot to break down when entering a tunnel, 129km in a 100 zone, on the Autobhan, so 29km/h over.

Set at least CHF 1000 aside for fine, court fee, and processing fee for warning.

porsch1909 10.07.2014 12:08

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Originally Posted by jonnyboy (Post 2193461)
I was driving back from Luzern to Geneva after picking up a new car, and was following another one when I forgot to break down when entering a tunnel, 129km in a 100 zone, on the Autobhan, so 29km/h over. To me it seems I was a bit lucky since it is not 30 or more over, which would have resulted in Geldstrafe. Do I understand it correctly?
Really unlucky one this one, since I always slows down when entering a tunnel, I guess i did not feel the speed as I used to in the new car, no excuse.

I got a letter from the Fribourg Police asking me to fill out the owner of the car or the person in charge of the driving.

The 129kph + 5kph + the error in your speedo you were likely going 145kph according to the speedo in your car.

Guest 10.07.2014 12:33

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2195246)
The 129kph + 5kph + the error in your speedo you were likely going 145kph according to the speedo in your car.

The 5kph is just a threshold, it's not subtracted from the measured speed. IME most modern cars have a built-in ~7% overread, so the 129 was probably reading around 138. Non-standard tyre sizes can also affect this - my wife's Audi TT has OEM 19" wheels which give almost an exact reading compared with GPS. The winter ones are 18", which would be the more normal OEM fitting, and give the aforementioned +7% reading.

But your point is still valid, of course.

Probably ;)

porsch1909 10.07.2014 12:46

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The 5kph is just a threshold, it's not subtracted from the measured speed. IME most modern cars have a built-in ~7% overread, so the 129 was probably reading around 138. Non-standard tyre sizes can also affect this - my wife's Audi TT has OEM 19" wheels which give almost an exact reading compared with GPS. The winter ones are 18", which would be the more normal OEM fitting, and give the aforementioned +7% reading.

But your point is still valid, of course.

Probably ;)
It's not? I know whenever I get a ticket it says the recorded speed then 5kph subtracted then the speed they use to calculate the fine.

I got one yesterday from the surrender monkeys for 2kph. Of course it was actually 7kph and I was probably going over 100kkph in a 90kph zone so deserved it (although my GPS said 94kph I seem to remember). I would appeal and ask for when the last time the speed camera was calibrated but you have to give a 135 Euro deposit for an appeal and the fine is only 45 Euro anyway.


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