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Guest 10.07.2014 12:50

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2195275)
It's not? I know whenever I get a ticket it says the recorded speed then 5kph subtracted then the speed they use to calculate the fine.

Yes, they do subtract the 5kph for the fine calculation, but the actual recorded speed is shown. So the ticket would show 129kph and the fine would be based on 4kph. (They don't normally quote the theoretical 124kph at all.)

porsch1909 10.07.2014 12:57

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Yes, they do subtract the 5kph for the fine calculation, but the actual recorded speed is shown. So the ticket would show 129kph and the fine would be based on 4kph. (They don't normally quote the theoretical 124kph at all.)
Yeh but when I'm ranting about my speeding ticket I would say 'FFS it was only 2kph over!'

So I guess this guy was actually 34kph over so was lucky indeed. Of course I may well be wrong and he's super honest.

Going to pay my French one on the 44th day :mad: Was only 2kph over ffs and the road was clear!

jonnyboy 10.07.2014 13:22

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2195275)
It's not? I know whenever I get a ticket it says the recorded speed then 5kph subtracted then the speed they use to calculate the fine.

I got one yesterday from the surrender monkeys for 2kph. Of course it was actually 7kph and I was probably going over 100kkph in a 90kph zone so deserved it (although my GPS said 94kph I seem to remember). I would appeal and ask for when the last time the speed camera was calibrated but you have to give a 135 Euro deposit for an appeal and the fine is only 45 Euro anyway.

Thanks for the tip on the appeal, I know I was speeding so it seems right to me, but I will wait and see what they come back with.

The recorded speed was 135, and a deduction of 6 from that, ended up at129km/h.

I will happily pay the fine, which should be around 600 to 800 and a courtfee on top of that I guess. Do I need to go to court? I am under the 30 km/hover limit.

aSwissInTheUS 10.07.2014 13:33

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The 5kph is just a threshold, it's not subtracted from the measured speed.
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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2195275)
I got one yesterday from the surrender monkeys for 2kph. Of course it was actually 7kph and I was probably going over 100kkph in a 90kph zone so deserved it (although my GPS said 94kph I seem to remember). I would appeal and ask for when the last time the speed camera was calibrated but you have to give a 135 Euro deposit for an appeal and the fine is only 45 Euro anyway.

It is a system tollerance and you should NOT count on it. It is indeed subtracted from your meassured speed. It is used to offset the measuring uncertainty of measuring equipment. After tollerance subtraction 100% of the meassured speeds must be below the actual true speed.

In Porsh's case his "true speed" was 94 km/h, system says 92 km/h. Zero beef on the bone for an appeal.

aSwissInTheUS 10.07.2014 13:35

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Originally Posted by jonnyboy (Post 2195319)
I will happily pay the fine, which should be around 600 to 800 and a courtfee on top of that I guess. Do I need to go to court? I am under the 30 km/hover limit.

No, you do not have to appear in the court. It is all paper based. Just state who was driving and wait for the letter from the court with bill and the followup letter from the SAN with bill.

porsch1909 10.07.2014 13:47

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2195337)

In Porsh's case his "true speed" was 94 km/h, system says 92 km/h. Zero beef on the bone for an appeal.

Poorly calibrated speed camera :mad:

aSwissInTheUS 10.07.2014 14:09

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2195359)
Poorly calibrated speed trap sense:mad:

;)

porsch1909 10.07.2014 14:12

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2195375)
;)

It was 2.30am. They should turn them off at that time?!

Guest 10.07.2014 14:27

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2195376)
It was 2.30am. They should turn them off at that time?!

What sort of twisted logic is that? Next thing you'll be suggesting that they shouldn't have them on clear open safe parts of the autoroutes and should concentrate on using them in places where excess speed would actually be dangerous:eek:

;)

martin959 10.07.2014 14:28

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2195376)
It was 2.30am. They should turn them off at that time?!

I guess that if you want to speed, you just need to get one of those roads that no one uses... like the countryside roads... :) that you mostly have... grass... trees... and some animals... xD

lovingswiss 11.07.2014 10:26

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I do not see my fine details on here will open a new thread, this are high.

starmir 22.07.2014 09:53

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Hello,
Any one know what kind of devices the Zuri Police use to catch speedsters?

I know of the fix ones, in various camo colours.. I know the ones that flash red, movable trailers, but the other day I got a fine leaving a village and I have no clue how they got me. It was just on the outskirts of town before the end of 50 zone.

I guess you can only speed up after you pass that back and white crossed sign, and not before.

marton 22.07.2014 10:49

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Originally Posted by starmir (Post 2202501)
Hello,
Any one know what kind of devices the Zuri Police use to catch speedsters?

I know of the fix ones, in various camo colours.. I know the ones that flash red, movable trailers, but the other day I got a fine leaving a village and I have no clue how they got me. It was just on the outskirts of town before the end of 50 zone.

I guess you can only speed up after you pass that back and white crossed sign, and not before.

They have little cameras on a tripod that measure and record; not much bigger than a normal large camera also a bigger version that resembles a lap top computer but about four times the size.
No flash!

aSwissInTheUS 22.07.2014 10:51

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Originally Posted by starmir (Post 2202501)
Hello,
Any one know what kind of devices the Zuri Police use to catch speedsters?

I guess you can only speed up after you pass that back and white crossed sign, and not before.

I can not answer your question for Canton of Zurich. But I can answer it for whole of Switzerland. See this list from METAS with all allowed meassuring devices. A sneaky little bugger on this list is the Leivtec XV3.
http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploa...db0crz3hef.jpg
For the second part. You are correct any new speed limit is in force at place of sign. Not 100m before in case of a higher limit, or after 100m after in case of a lower limit.
Art. 16 SSV

Anthonyd_31 29.07.2014 00:13

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If the ticket is in the "einfache verletzung Von verkehrsregrln" catergory but incurs a "400 CHF busse", does that qualify as a simple fine? If not, how long does the conviction stay in the non public criminal record database (assuming its a non criminal offence since the fine is under 5000 CHF)?

Roestigraben 29.07.2014 00:49

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Originally Posted by martin959 (Post 2195390)
I guess that if you want to speed, you just need to get one of those roads that no one uses... like the countryside roads... :) that you mostly have... grass... trees... and some animals... xD

I will have you know, some of those sheep are deputized to write bussgeld; this one is attending his "hilfspolizei" swearing in ceremony, complete with the traditional affixing of the schafshilfspolizei dienstmark to the sheep's ear.

http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert...0,c=0.bild.jpg

Sean Connery 29.07.2014 08:43

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I have to say that I've seen tripod-mounted ones many times - usually on the highway.....even with what looked like a potato sack over one of them. What's also worth mentioning is that the insurance companies are preparing us for the changes from 1st January - so have an accident when you're racing or way over the limit and they'll be coming after you to cover their losses.....

st2lemans 29.07.2014 09:15

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Connery (Post 2207539)
I have to say that I've seen tripod-mounted ones many times - usually on the highway.....even with what looked like a potato sack over one of them. What's also worth mentioning is that the insurance companies are preparing us for the changes from 1st January - so have an accident when you're racing or way over the limit and they'll be coming after you to cover their losses.....

Just don't have an accident. ;)

Tom

3Wishes 29.07.2014 09:35

Re: Serious Speeding - New law, new fines.
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Connery (Post 2207539)
I have to say that I've seen tripod-mounted ones many times - usually on the highway.....even with what looked like a potato sack over one of them...

Also watch out in the forest areas, we've seen them on tripods with camo covers and the cop wearing camouflage as well. :rolleyes:

rob1 29.07.2014 10:35

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Also seen them in winter with a white sheet over the camera


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