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Old 18.02.2013, 16:33
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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

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1 The driver must, assumed his eyes are exactly 75 cm above the seat, be able to overlook all parts of the road that are at least 12 meter away (from the drivers eyes?!).

4. [...] On, before or behind screens no objects which will hinders the drivers view must be affixed. Except, objects mandated by law or sat-nav devices which are outside the minimum viewing area as defined in Subparagraph 1.
So a dashcam is not allowed even if it does not obstruct the minimum viewing area?
I suppose you could always mount it on the underside of the car roof & slightly behind the drivers head; assuming you could find a suitable place to attach it?
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Old 18.02.2013, 16:41
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1 The driver must, assumed his eyes are exactly 75 cm above the seat, be able to overlook all parts of the road that are at least 12 meter away (from the drivers eyes?!).

4. [...] On, before or behind screens no objects which will hinders the drivers view must be affixed. Except, objects mandated by law or sat-nav devices which are outside the minimum viewing area as defined in Subparagraph 1.
Thanks for this. I suppose therefore a navigation device will be fine if mounted very low on the windscreen (or very high). In any event I shall print out the law in German and carry it with me!
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Old 18.02.2013, 16:43
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So a dashcam is not allowed even if it does not obstruct the minimum viewing area?
I suppose you could always mount it on the underside of the car roof & slightly behind the drivers head; assuming you could find a suitable place to attach it?
I have mine on the other side of the rear view mirror attached to my windscreen. Although, being in a big US minivan, the windscreen is quite large!
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Old 18.02.2013, 16:50
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Thanks for this. I suppose therefore a navigation device will be fine if mounted very low on the windscreen (or very high). In any event I shall print out the law in German and carry it with me!
At passenger seat head rest. This handles above the doors. Behind a legally installed sat-nav (even better as a part of sat-nav). Behind speedometer. It may be even possible to have it on the dashboard as I interpret "hinders the drivers view" as "is no longer able to see parts of the road he could have seen was the device not at its place (assuming eyes at 75cm above seat cushion)"
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Old 18.02.2013, 16:56
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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

Of course you know that the irony is that someone's going have a dashcam & record someone else jumping a red & smashing into them, but end up being done for having a dashcam.
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Old 18.02.2013, 17:31
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I suppose you could always mount it on the underside of the car roof & slightly behind the drivers head; assuming you could find a suitable place to attach it?
Just mount it on the roof and be done with it:

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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

I had just been thinking about dashcams, and what the rules are in Switzerland when I found this:

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In summary we would reiterate that using dashcams on public roads normally breaches the principles of transparency and proportionality if specific persons can be recognised in the recordings. These breaches are serious and can only be justified if there is an overriding private or public interest in making the recordings.

Normally there is no such justification, with the result that the recordings constitute an unlawful breach of privacy. Guaranteeing road safety is the duty of the police and not a matter for private road users. This means dashcams cannot be justified on road safety grounds. Even the understandable desire to have pictures to hand that can be used as evidence in the event of an accident is not an interest that outweighs the right to personal privacy, especially as such recordings seldom provide clear-cut evidence of what actually happened.

For these reasons, dashcams should not be used in public places.
The full text can be found on admin.ch [1]. Not sure if there is any precedence set on this, but I do like the comment that road safety is not a matter for private road users. Does this mean I can just go out and cause havoc?


[1] http://www.edoeb.admin.ch/datenschut...x.html?lang=en
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Old 06.01.2015, 21:48
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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

there was a guy sending dashcam footage to the cops repeatedly.

here's an example of a report: http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zentrals...story/23439743

anyway, I have one and it's been useful to record some dufus rolling into me.
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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

I have a dashcam mounted so that the rearview mirror completely hides it from the driver's view.

I was stopped at the border on the Germany > Basel autobahn as a vignette checker thought it was a radar speed-trap detector. When I flipped down the led screen to show it was a camera, he sent me on my way...
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Customs or vignette seller?
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there was a guy sending dashcam footage to the cops repeatedly.

here's an example of a report: http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zentrals...story/23439743

anyway, I have one and it's been useful to record some dufus rolling into me.
Plod was complaining he sent stuff to them and having viewed some of the vids it appears he drove to get people upset and perform harsh manoeuvres
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Old 07.01.2015, 10:48
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I had just been thinking about dashcams, and what the rules are in Switzerland when I found this:



The full text can be found on admin.ch [1]. Not sure if there is any precedence set on this, but I do like the comment that road safety is not a matter for private road users. Does this mean I can just go out and cause havoc?


[1] http://www.edoeb.admin.ch/datenschut...x.html?lang=en
Interesting. Of course there are private CCTV type cameras everywhere like banks, railway stations &&&, so these do not invade personal privacy

And private drones have cameras.
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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

I guess the tone of the letter is along lines of: dont go looking for bad drivers and report it to us, it's our job and we not really interested as the hidden cameras in bushes and rubbish bins bring in more than enough cash without us having to do any work"
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Any ideas of prices or availability
The best and the cheapest place you can find such kind of things is the Chinese online shop such as, for example:

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Old 12.01.2015, 20:17
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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

How can they really support the quote above from admin.ch
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... using dashcams on public roads normally breaches the principles of transparency and proportionality if specific persons can be recognised in the recordings. These breaches are serious and can only be justified if there is an overriding private or public interest in making the recordings.

Normally there is no such justification, with the result that the recordings constitute an unlawful breach of privacy. ..
If making videos where specific persons can be recognised, is a serious breach then how come it's OK for example tourists to be making videos at popular spots full of people able to be recognised in the recordings. Or for security camera, or video cameras on phones etc. The principle surely isn't affected by where the video camera is mounted whether it be dash, hand, wall etc.
Seems to me more like the authorities don't want people having potentially damaging videos (like the gotthard coach crash) and are basically saying it's OK for us but not you. And when it suits us we'll find it a breach of privacy etc but otherwise it's no problem.
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Old 12.01.2015, 23:35
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How can they really support the quote above from admin.ch If making videos where specific persons can be recognised, is a serious breach then how come it's OK for example tourists to be making videos at popular spots full of people able to be recognised in the recordings. Or for security camera, or video cameras on phones etc. The principle surely isn't affected by where the video camera is mounted whether it be dash, hand, wall etc.
Seems to me more like the authorities don't want people having potentially damaging videos (like the gotthard coach crash) and are basically saying it's OK for us but not you. And when it suits us we'll find it a breach of privacy etc but otherwise it's no problem.
No, what it means is that it's only a legal problem if other people see it, i.e you post it on YouTube, FaceBook, give it to the police, etc.

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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

Well I am getting one that is for sure.

30 years driving experience without one accident or claim, did all the Rospa and IAM driving courses in my youth as I love driving....been in Switzerland since September and had one car written off, the subsequent rental driven into and my wife's car hit as well.

The swiss are the worst drivers I have ever witnessed in any country. Arrogant, careless and risk takers.

Last week, for example, a line of cars (me included) driving along very slowly on black ice (between Gland and Aubonne) and a VD plated subaru legacy tore past us thinking he was invincible with his asymmetrical awd system. Yes, they are good....but not so good to stop him ramming into the back of another car at the subsequent roundabout because he couldn't stop in time.

Total idiot. And he was not alone.

And don't get me started on lack of indication on roundabouts or excessive tailgating on motorways.....no wonder car insurance is so expensive!

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Well I am getting one that is for sure.

30 years driving experience without one accident or claim, did all the Rospa and IAM driving courses in my youth as I love driving....been in Switzerland since September and had one car written off, the subsequent rental driven into and my wife's car hit as well.

The swiss are the worst drivers I have ever witnessed in any country. Arrogant, careless and risk takers.

Last week, for example, a line of cars (me included) driving along very slowly on black ice (between Gland and Aubonne) and a VD plated subaru legacy tore past us thinking he was invincible with his asymmetrical awd system. Yes, they are good....but not so good to stop him ramming into the back of another car at the subsequent roundabout because he couldn't stop in time.

Total idiot. And he was not alone.

And don't get me started on lack of indication on roundabouts or excessive tailgating on motorways.....no wonder car insurance is so expensive!

Apologies....rant over

3 accidents in 1 year and you call us lousy drivers ?

I think it's you who has the problem and what's to say the drivers are Swiss. Switzerland has about 24% immigration so what is to say the drivers are Swiss.

I see you livbe in Auibonne, what's on the back of your car, my guess is VD plates but i haven't a clue what nationality you are from this, from your post it isn't difficult to determine
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Re: Dashcam (Dashboard Camera)

Stupid question, but are these wired into the car so that they automatically start recording when the car starts, or do you have to turn them on and off manually? Or do they record 24/7?

If wired, is it an easy job to wire them in?
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Well I am getting one that is for sure.

30 years driving experience without one accident or claim, did all the Rospa and IAM driving courses in my youth as I love driving....been in Switzerland since September and had one car written off, the subsequent rental driven into and my wife's car hit as well.
25 years here and none of that.

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And don't get me started on lack of indication on roundabouts
The rules here are different, you only indicate on exit. When roundabouts started appearing 20-odd years ago they were pretty poor but for the most part they've learnt now and are usually fine ime

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No arguement there, although I've had worse from UK white vans.
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