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Re: Testing a Car (MFK)

Hello guys,
I received my MFK invitation letter yesterday. I have to go there on November 1st. I have a 308 1.6 HDI that was serviced by an official Peugeot dealer in Italy less than 6 months ago.

All should be fine, but I have a concern. I do small repairs myself, as I've worked as motorbike "mechanic" when I was young to pay my uni studies. So I can work on cars too (til a certain degree) and I love to do maintenance work on my car and motorcycle.

So I changed brake pads and disks some time ago and put on Brembo parts with the same measures and sizes as the original ones (but of course much better materials). I also changed headlights bulbs with others of higher qality and aligned them properly. They work like a charm, of course, but I'm afraid the are not compatible with Swiss regulations.

So my questions are:
1) Did you happen to see them unmounting breaks to check the parts' make or something like that?
2) Do you think this is something the would stop the car at all?
3) When I changed the brakes I noticed a lot of rust and dirt on the suspension components. Do you think this is a no-go?
4) @megafine : is this the place you talked about? https://www.google.ch/maps/place/Spa...91!4d8.5256452

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1) no, not if they work ok and aren't obviously strange
2) I have no idea what you really mean, but I hope the brakes stop the car
3) you can fail due to dirt if it means they can't see the real condition; you can fail due to rust if it makes the part unsound - so it's impossible to say without seeing it; if it's surface rust then probably not

It's basically a safety check - if they turn on the lights and they are obviously too bright vs specification, or some weird colour, it would fail, otherwise not.

Of course, if there is something non-specification that they find, they may then look in more detail at the other stuff...
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2) I have no idea what you really mean, but I hope the brakes stop the car
Yep, sorry I meant if they find breaks do not comply to regulations, could they ban the car from circulating in Swiss public roads?

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3) you can fail due to dirt if it means they can't see the real condition; you can fail due to rust if it makes the part unsound - so it's impossible to say without seeing it; if it's surface rust then probably not
Only surface rust

I can change back light bulbs. This is not a problem. My main concern is brake pads and disks
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Yep, sorry I meant if they find breaks do not comply to regulations, could they ban the car from circulating in Swiss public roads?

Only surface rust

I can change back light bulbs. This is not a problem. My main concern is brake pads and disks
Sorry, I can't answer specifically then - there is no requirement to use a specific brand of parts, only ones that fit properly and where necessary are appropriately type certified.

I think the MFK people can demand a dangerous vehicle is removed from the road, but also not sure here.
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Well, I hope they wouldn't notice/mind or if they do, they can give me time to fix the stuff.

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So I changed brake pads and disks some time ago and put on Brembo parts with the same measures and sizes as the original ones (but of course much better materials).


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Have you switched your discs with those, by any chance? Maybe with red "racing" pads as well? If not, I would not be worried. Same for the lamps, as far as they have the e# homologation symbol.


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Have you switched your discs with those, by any chance? Maybe with red "racing" pads as well? If not, I would not be worried. Same for the lamps, as far as they have the e# homologation symbol.
This is the key point. If the parts are homologated in Switzerland, you're completely above board.
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Have you switched your discs with those, by any chance? Maybe with red "racing" pads as well? If not, I would not be worried. Same for the lamps, as far as they have the e# homologation symbol.
Nope. They look just the same as the originals. No drills or slots. Same for the pads: just the same shape as the originals.
I don't know about the bulbs homologation symbol. I bought them in Italy. Where are they supposed to be? I still have the package.
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I don't know about the bulbs homologation symbol. I bought them in Italy. Where are they supposed to be? I still have the package.
On the back. A part from racing lamps or stuff from unknown brands promising 200% more light, all the stuff you usually find around has the homologation. see example below:

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Re: Testing a Car (MFK)

so far (touch wood) I've not had the MFK guys check the disc / pad part numbers on any of our cars, which is good as I buy them in the uk and pretty sure they are not certified here.

They go anal on the exhaust systems though, check them with a fine tooth comb.
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On the back. A part from racing lamps or stuff from unknown brands promising 200% more light, all the stuff you usually find around has the homologation. see example below:
I'll check. Thanks a lot for this!
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so far (touch wood) I've not had the MFK guys check the disc / pad part numbers on any of our cars, which is good as I buy them in the uk and pretty sure they are not certified here.

They go anal on the exhaust systems though, check them with a fine tooth comb.
Exhaust is like mom Peugeot made it. Only hope gasses are in the norm. But they should as it's a 2011 model.
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So I changed brake pads and disks some time ago and put on Brembo parts with the same measures and sizes as the original ones (but of course much better materials). I also changed headlights bulbs with others of higher qality and aligned them properly. They work like a charm, of course, but I'm afraid the are not compatible with Swiss regulations.
For details look into the asa Guideline No. 2a (Cars) or guidline No. 2b (Motorcycles)
It is available in French and German> https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/direttive/

Brake pads: Free choice.

Brake discs (for cars): Same dimensions, same material, same design principle (holes, no holes, fixed or floating, grooved, etc.) is o.k. (for motorcycle also the number and size of holes must match)

Lamps and Bulbs: Have to be conform to standard ECE Regulations (Regulation 37, 48, and 99) normally denoted by the (E) marking on the component. Note that at the moment there is no ECE Regulation which covers replaceable LED-bulbs for headlights. Thus, replacing a standard halogen H4 or H7 with an LED "H4" or "H7" is not permitted. You have to switch thew hole lamp to an LED unit. If an LED headlight bulb has an (E) marking it is either from the future or a fake.
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For details look into the asa Guideline No. 2a (Cars) or guidline No. 2b (Motorcycles)
It is available in French and German> https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/direttive/
That's a damn great link. Thanks for sharing!

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Brake pads: Free choice.
One issue tackled. Kudos for you!

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Lamps and Bulbs: Have to be conform to standard ECE Regulations (Regulation 37, 48, and 99) normally denoted by the (E) marking on the component. Note that at the moment there is no ECE Regulation which covers replaceable LED Bulbs for headlights. Thus, replacing a standard halogen H4 or H7 with an LED "H4" or "H7" is not permitted.
To check.

Well, now I hope if they see the disks look just the same, they wouldn't go on inspect them thoroughly.

That was a whole bunch of useful s**t man. Thanks a lot!
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With transport vans they expect the payload so that the suspension test is meaningful (no load would make it seem like the suspension has no give at all). Have a look around your area for a company that sells something like rubber conveyor belts or such, they may be willing to put a suitable roll of (scrap) material into the van for a contribution to the kafikasse.

Places that service trucks have weights specifically for this usage, if you get the work done at such a shop they may let you use the weights.

Otherwise, a cubic meter of water in large sized containers. Is there a place that rents festival equipment like tents near you? They sometimes have water containers on pallets.

iirc they will send you away if you show up empty, at least in Zurich.
Does anyone have further info / link to the regulations on the payload requirement?

We currently have a VW Caddy panel van, it's down as a Kastenwagen on the registration document. Trying to figure out if this would have the weight requirement or not come MKF time?
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Re: Testing a Car (MFK)

How draconic is the testing for an imported car?
I have some scratches left by good willed people in the parking lot.
And some after market replacements under the hood (front bumper and some other things I don't know how to translate); nothing mechanical though.

Will that do or will they reject due to that? I'm pondering if I should fix/replace everything locally before I try to import it.
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They don't care about scratches, or even rust (unless it's rusted through).

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How draconic is the testing for an imported car?
I have some scratches left by good willed people in the parking lot.
And some after market replacements under the hood (front bumper and some other things I don't know how to translate); nothing mechanical though.

Will that do or will they reject due to that? I'm pondering if I should fix/replace everything locally before I try to import it.
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They don't care about scratches, or even rust (unless it's rusted through).

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Scratches and dents are no problem, but the inspectors usually want the engine to be cleaned so they can check for oil leaks.

After-market replacement of some items (e.g. headlamps, wheels) could be a problem. If you really mean that the bumper has been replaced, that could be a fail—depends on whether your part has homologation for Switzerland.

I've imported two vehicles to Switzerland with no problems whatsoever. From which country are you importing yours? If it is from the EU and complies with EU standards, you will probably be OK.
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