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I happen to know the rules in depth because I passed my test just over a year ago and had to learn all those rules off by heart. They asked me questions on overtaking on the right both in my theory and practical exam - it matters and I gave the right responses.
Ok, that one year of experience driving explains it all for me. You didn't know article 44.3, while I knew it. When you drive long enough you'll realize that 44.3 makes sense and is common everywhere.
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

I knew it but it is not relevant to your situation. If you break the law, get caught and then come and complain about it on a forum, expect to be taken down a peg. I should also have been more specific - I did my car licence a year ago. I had a scooter before that and have had a licence for that since... let's just say the 90ies.
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I knew it but it is not relevant to your situation. If you break the law, get caught and then come and complain about it on a forum, expect to be taken down a peg. I should also have been more specific - I did my car licence a year ago. I had a scooter before that and have had a licence for that since... let's just say the 90ies.
I've come for information to the forum, and I'm finding plenty. But also misinformed people like you, who still think that overtaking in the right in the city is not allowed. And even when many forumers present you the evidence you still persist in the error, which makes you look silly, sorry.
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

Again, I am aware of the rule but it does not relate to your situation, so it is irrelevant to your complaint. It is logical that you follow the flow of your lane of traffic if there is heavy traffic but I was repeatedly told by my instructor, the driving test examiner (ok, him just once) and a friend who works for the police that driving past a car that is going too slow on the left lane when there is basically space for you to not do so without hindering traffic will get you in trouble. So while the law seems to allow for it in certain circumstances, as a rule, you should avoid it and most certainly shouldn't do it in the way you described.

Linksfahrer annoy me too, no question, they are also breaking the law but somehow that is more of a vague one to catch.
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I've come for information to the forum, and I'm finding plenty. But also misinformed people like you, who still think that overtaking in the right in the city is not allowed. And even when many forumers present you the evidence you still persist in the error, which makes you look silly, sorry.
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Again, I am aware of the rule but it does not relate to your situation, so it is irrelevant to your complaint. It is logical that you follow the flow of your lane of traffic if there is heavy traffic but I was repeatedly told by my instructor, the driving test examiner (ok, him just once) and a friend who works for the police that driving past a car that is going too on the left when there is basically space for you to not do so without hindering traffic will get you in trouble. So while the law seems to allow for it in certain circumstances, as a rule, you should avoid it and most certainly shouldn't do it in the way you described.

Linksfahrer annoy me too, no question, they are also breaking the law but somehow that is more of a vague one to catch.
It totally applies to my situation, because thanks to the forumers that have posted here the swiss law I now know what I did wrong, which was what I suspected from the beginning.

To explain to you why overtaking in the right makes sense in the city (also Zurich, although you seem to still persist in the error) I'm posting an image below:



You have 5 lanes there in a central street in Madrid. If I was driving at 25 or 30 in lane number 2, lanes number 3, 4 and 5 would not be allowed to driver quicker than 25, which would not make sense at all!

Hope this is enough for you to understand the reason of that law in Switzerland and everywhere.

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This relates to traffic jam / heavy traffic situations. Slower vehicles should always go right, the person driving slowly on the left lane was in the wrong but that does NOT mean you are allowed to overtake them on the right.

Your translation is wrong.
You are again showing that you have no clue about driving or barely no experience saying such nonsense.

"Slower vehicles should always go right" --> What happens if I'm driving a slow truck in the same street that I got the fine (2 lanes) and I'm turning left in the next traffic light? I HAVE TO DRIVE USING THE LEFT LANE, of course, even if I'm slow. And OTHER CARS CAN OVERTAKE MY TRUCK USING THE RIGHT LANE, of course. What you say is the rule that you learned when studying traffic in the highway.

The funny thing about this thread is how, to my question about the specific Swiss traffic law in my situation, a good bunch of forumers were so quick to jump : "Illegal!! You don't know the law!!" until somebody showed that it was in fact them who had no clue!

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The funny thing about this thread is how, to my question about the specific Swiss traffic law in my situation, a good bunch of forumers were so quick to jump : "Illegal!! You don't know the law!!" until somebody showed that it was in fact them who had no clue!
you come on to a public forum on a topic such as being fined and expect to be told the truth and are surprised when you get otherwise. The forum is not a road rules forum only the policeman and you know what happened so not much point arguing it out here, pay up before you get a fine for late payment

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Well you come on to a public forum on a topic such as being fined and expect to be told the truth you are ignorant and a fool. Best advice is pay your fine the policeman gave it to you because in the situation which ony you and he saw he was of the view you broke the law. Noone on the forum saw what you did and therrefore you deserve to be ridiculed

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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

So the best advice for the OP, is that it now appears he is completely right about this. The Police have obviously made an error.

He should definitely not pay the fine - and contest it with vigour.
Maybe even hire a lawyer, as it will be money well spent.

It might even be advisable to take out a counter law-suit against the Police.

Dear OP, sorry we ever doubted your experience and wisdom, in the first place, trying to confuse you with stupid rules and regs.

...... and as for a police record - I've got an old copy of Roxanne, if you want it.
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Old 30.04.2013, 08:21
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

You don't have to wear the red dress tonight, huh?

The only place I overtake right is on the ZRH airport freeway as it has a rather unique left exit and vehicles start hogging that lane clicks before the turn off. I'll always pass on the right in this instance. My understanding is that you have to physically move back to the left to complete an undertaking maneuver, just passing on the right isn't an offense if the left lane is stacked up.
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

I forgot - there is a difference between passing and overtaking.

A smart road user will know how to disguise one as the other, and not stand out, whilst making their way effectively through traffic.

Only an idiot, rushes past in a blaze of blur and noise.

Maybe this macho approach worked in previous locations, but you're now in the land of sober and sombre rules and regulations.

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Tsk, tsk, take it easy. Now it's you who has got it all wrong and I'm not going to tell you to go to buy a road code because you have no clue about the laws in Switzerland
says the man with poor observation (failure to see policeman) and the 140 francs fine to pay.....
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

I think it is threads like these that make the EF so silent these days. We make newbies feel so welcome since none of us have ever made a mistake when in a new land. Of course, the OP was a bit pompous about it all, but still, perhaps some real life etiquette could go a long way in the virtual world?
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I think it is threads like these that make the EF so silent these days. We make newbies feel so welcome since none of us have ever made a mistake when in a new land. Of course, the OP was a bit pompous about it all, but still, perhaps some real life etiquette could go a long way in the virtual world?
I agree with the OP that if he stayed in the right-hand lane, he would not have been stopped and I have passed on the right many times. But he's on a hiding to nothing suggesting to the local law society that it should be OK to pass on the right then swing back across the car you just passed.

By the OP's account, he estimates 20m and failed to see the cop. This to me says two things - poor observation and he cut right then left. He's fighting a fight that he can only lose and make the punishment worse so he might as well learn that here.

I think you'll find doing the same trick in Madrid or any other European city might be tolerated but it's illegal (as you quickly cut back across the vehicle you pass).
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

Passing - would suggest that you began in the right line, moved past the slow moving vehicle and remained in the right line.

Overtaking - would suggest starting behind the slow moving vehicle, moving into the right lane, moving past the slow moving vehicle and then returning to the left lane.

They are not the same thing.

The code is written that way so that when you have 2 lanes of traffic (will different destinations) the right lane is not held stationary because the main traffic flow is to the left.

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East to West - There are a number of left turns - for which there are filter lanes - mainly due to the turns being across a dual carriageway AND double tram tracks.

West to East - At Stelzenstrasse there is a left turn for which there is a lengthy filter line.

In other words I am struggling to see how the OP would be passing (slow or stationary) traffic - rather than overtaking.
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

I agree, and the OP also said that what he did was wrong and realizes it now. Or maybe I imagined he said that!
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Get yourself a road code in English before you kill someone.
With a scooter?
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Re: Fined while overtaking on the right in the city

Passing on the right and then cutting back in is illegal in Switzerland.
People do it all the time.

Scooters and motorcycles driving in the bicycle lanes is illegal in Switzerland. People do it all the time.

Talking or texting on your cell phone while driving is illegal in Switzerland.
People do it all the time.

OP. You got caught. You are going to have to pay up.

For all of the "you're going to kill someone!" drama queens out there.
Lighten up.
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With a scooter?
Fair point - it's him that might get killed.

Desert Rat - my view is that you should know the rules and why they exist. If you choose to follow them is a different matter but you should know them. Texting and driving should lead to a ban on driving, it's so dangerous, especially in town, and contributes to jams.
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At least he wasn't VFR in IFR conditions.
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