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Lucerne Speeding Fine

Good Afternoon, Im a regular visitor to Switzerland for business purposes. Usually when visiting Switzerland i take a rental car and always abide by the speed limits etc. However, I was not aware of 30kph "pedestrian" areas. I just received a letter from the rental company stating they had passed on my details to the authorities. Included with this letter was the original letter from Lucerne Police. On the 12th of June i was snapped by a camera doing 51 in 30 zone. They have removed 5kph and are pursuing me for breaching the 30kph speed limit by 16kph. I tried to call them today, Obviously i thought there was a fine to pay and was willing to pay today. I was informed however that as my speed was 16kph over the limit my details have instead been handed to a lawyer who will decide the correct action to be taken against myself.

Do any of you know what is a normal or expected charge for being 16kph over the limit. I am from the UK so now im waiting for such a letter to arrive from a laywer in Switzerland
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Do any of you know what is a normal or expected charge for being 16kph over the limit. I am from the UK so now im waiting for such a letter to arrive from a laywer in Switzerland
It's 16 k/ph over the limit in a pedestrian area so expect a massive fine. 16 k/ph over on a motorway is peanuts but in a 30 zone...

Also, a 30 zone is usually very clearly marked with "30" signs and "30" painted on the road every so often, so I wouldn't recommend the use of "I didn't know it was a 30 zone" as your defence.
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Re: Lucerne Speeding Fine

http://www.ksbs-caps.ch/docs_aktu/MM...ung%202013.pdf

Should only be a 400CHF fine according to this.
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Re: Lucerne Speeding Fine

Speeding Fines and Penalties (inside built-up areas)

Excess of speed limit
* 1 - 5 kph: Fr. 40.--
* 6 - 10 kph: Fr. 120.--
* 11 - 15 kph: Fr. 250.--
* 16 kph and more: Offender will be summoned to court resulting in a very hefty fine along with driving ban + criminal record.
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Is jail an actual possibility for this type of offence ?
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From the beginning of this year penalties for speeding have become much more severe, so yes it is a possibility, but ........



Just out of curiosity why were you on a 30kph street, as these are predominantly residential streets, where there may be an abundance of children?
Unfortunately, they are often used as rat-runs by locals trying to shortcut traffic and save a bit of time, hence the speed restriction and other traffic calming measures. As a frequent visitor you've probably gained local knowledge, and were maybe attempting the same?
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* 16 kph and more: Offender will be summoned to court resulting in a very hefty fine along with driving ban + criminal record.
16 over will not result in a driving ban for a first time offender. Few hundred CHF fine plus official warning ("Verwarnung") though.

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Not for a first time offender having gone 16 over. Swiss speeding penalties are insane, but not *that* insane.

However since January 1, going 70 or more (i.e. 40 over) in a 30 zone means at least one jear jail time.
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None whatsoever

You'll get a hefty but I would imagine 'affordable' fine.
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From the beginning of this year penalties for speeding have become much more severe, so yes it is a possibility, but ........



Just out of curiosity why were you on a 30kph street, as these are predominantly residential streets, where there may be an abundance of children?
Unfortunately, they are often used as rat-runs by locals trying to shortcut traffic and save a bit of time, hence the speed restriction and other traffic calming measures. As a frequent visitor you've probably gained local knowledge, and were maybe attempting the same?
Whilst a regular to Switzerland im not a regular to Lucerne. I can honestly say i dont recall driving through an area that looked any different to the roads ie residential or not. I was in the city trying to locate a parkhaus. I had 2 Swiss native colleagues in the vehicle with me and neither of them pointed out to me that i was in an residential area etc. I was on St. Karlistrasse and unable to locate if that is a residential area or not. I thought i was just in the city loop
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I was not aware of 30kph "pedestrian" areas.
Yes, they work just like the 20mph zones in the UK. Better be careful there too...
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Whilst a regular to Switzerland im not a regular to Lucerne. I can honestly say i dont recall driving through an area that looked any different to the roads ie residential or not. I was in the city trying to locate a parkhaus. I had 2 Swiss native colleagues in the vehicle with me and neither of them pointed out to me that i was in an residential area etc. I was on St. Karlistrasse and unable to locate if that is a residential area or not. I thought i was just in the city loop
as the others have said, few hundred fine, nothing else. Don't worry about people saying you will hang by the neck until dead, first offence, fine and that should be about it. maybe a months ban if they are feeling miserable but nothing else.
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Good Afternoon, Im a regular visitor to Switzerland for business purposes. Usually when visiting Switzerland i take a rental car and always abide by the speed limits etc. However, I was not aware of 30kph "pedestrian" areas. I just received a letter from the rental company stating they had passed on my details to the authorities. Included with this letter was the original letter from Lucerne Police. On the 12th of June i was snapped by a camera doing 51 in 30 zone. They have removed 5kph and are pursuing me for breaching the 30kph speed limit by 16kph. I tried to call them today, Obviously i thought there was a fine to pay and was willing to pay today. I was informed however that as my speed was 16kph over the limit my details have instead been handed to a lawyer who will decide the correct action to be taken against myself.

Do any of you know what is a normal or expected charge for being 16kph over the limit. I am from the UK so now im waiting for such a letter to arrive from a laywer in Switzerland
Plenty of experts here
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Re: Lucerne Speeding Fine

Any fine over CHF 200 brings further trouble. You have lost 1 life !

Traffic Offences - Q & A Bullet points

How do speeding fines work in Switzerland? fine is about SFr 290,--

After the fines come the "Administrative Actions" which hurt even more...
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Is jail an actual possibility for this type of offence ?
If you do not pay and come back later, yes.
http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...im-gefaengnis/
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/30422919
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Re: Lucerne Speeding Fine

I had a 40CHF fine for 3Km/h over and forgot to pay it and got threatened with jail.

So yes.
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Re: Lucerne Speeding Fine

with all the talk of a ban it should be made clear the ban will only be valid in CH.

for the above the statute of limitations is 3 years or not ?
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Re: Lucerne Speeding Fine

Just spoke to a retired Swiss policeman the other day and he's pissed off. Swiss citizens are now being handled as criminals for speeding and he thinks it's gone overboard especially when one looks at what happens to real criminals... which is quite often nothing.
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Re: Lucerne Speeding Fine

Thanks for the replies. I think reading through the posts im likely to get a substantial fine. Whilst its not desirable i am the person responsible so ill have to pay up. Not knowing how much these things are though is annoying but then i guess its no where near annoying as me driving 50kph through a 30kph
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Just spoke to a retired Swiss policeman the other day and he's pissed off. Swiss citizens are now being handled as criminals for speeding and he thinks it's gone overboard especially when one looks at what happens to real criminals... which is quite often nothing.
Good thing he's just there to enforce the rules and not make them then.

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Thanks for the replies. I think reading through the posts im likely to get a substantial fine. Whilst its not desirable i am the person responsible so ill have to pay up. Not knowing how much these things are though is annoying but then i guess its no where near annoying as me driving 50kph through a 30kph
To be fair on your speedo it was probably more than 50kph though
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