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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

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So 4 years on has this law been a success or failure? Still see a lot of cars not using them. Have accidents been reduced because of them? Still seeing a lot of cars without rear lights in tunnels because they haven't switched their main headlights on when entering. Saw a car this morning with its rear fog light on, but nothing else at the rear. No idea if it had front lights or not.



No idea but I find the cars without lights are more of a surprise now than before so I can imagine more accidents because of that. Usually you can't have the fogs on without at least side lights so it might have been defect. Seems to be a Swiss thing to drive without lights on, day or night time. I gestured to a motorcyclist the other day to put his lights on an he just said "they're defect" before he whizzed off and almost got taken out by a car at a right-before-left junction.
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Old 28.11.2018, 12:20
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So 4 years on has this law been a success or failure? Still see a lot of cars not using them. Have accidents been reduced because of them? Still seeing a lot of cars without rear lights in tunnels because they haven't switched their main headlights on when entering. Saw a car this morning with its rear fog light on, but nothing else at the rear. No idea if it had front lights or not.
There are even people who turn them on in the tunnel and off again at the end of it.
And they keep that up even if there are several tunnels after each other .... Lucerne ..... up to Brünig. It's weird.
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There are even people who turn them on in the tunnel and off again at the end of it.
And they keep that up even if there are several tunnels after each other .... Lucerne ..... up to Brünig. It's weird.
Err, you sure these aren't just automatic lights?

To be fair, when I'm in the car with no auto-on I do leave them off except in tunnels (or at night) but that's more a habit to avoid leaving them on when I park than anything else, with no warning beep either. Plus the LED driving lights I fitted actually show up better in daylight than the dipped headlights, as well as looking cooler and using less power (just joking, but I've actually heard people use this latter point as a genuine reason for not switching their lights on).

Back to the question of changing behaviour as a result of the law, I can't really say I've noticed much difference (in tunnels, I mean) but there have been a couple of times when I've failed to notice a car with no lights on as early as I normally would, which supports the idea that once you've got used to everyone having lights on you mentally adjust to it, potentially making little overall difference except in the case of an unlit vehicle, which may actually be an overall negative effect on road safety.
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Old 28.11.2018, 13:30
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No, I'm not. As I'm always at least one decade behind re. cars I didn't think of that possibility. It would make those drivers less silly
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No, I'm not. As I'm always at least one decade behind re. cars I didn't think of that possibility. It would make those drivers less silly
It's ok. When the start/stop technology first came out, I kept thinking people were stalling at the lights.
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Old 28.11.2018, 13:54
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

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It's ok. When the start/stop technology first came out, I kept thinking people were stalling at the lights.
I hadn't owned a car for a number of years or driven a newish model. I hired a car ..... and stalled at the lights, twice. I looked at my Son in disbelief and said "I haven't stalled a car in 20 years, WTH?". Then we noticed it would start again when you push the clutch.

A quick Google and it all made sense.
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Old 28.11.2018, 13:59
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

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the LED driving lights I fitted actually show up better in daylight than the dipped headlights, as well as looking cooler and using less power (just joking, but I've actually heard people use this latter point as a genuine reason for not switching their lights on).
That's actually quite true, no joke!

(which is why I mounted them)

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Old 28.11.2018, 16:42
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

One or two random thoughts:

- a big problem these days is the lack of use of more than DRLs in fog. We are so used to lights coming on automatically in tunnels and at night or when the wipers are on, that many do nothing more in fog.

- there are still a surprising amount of drivers on the Swiss roads who do not use any lights in the day.

- logic should tell us that headlights or DRLs in the day should be safer - after all motorcyclists use headlights to be seen for safely. But I doubt the figures show much difference in the accident rate.

- I drove with headlights on in the day over 20 years ago as I thought it was safer. It used not only marginally more fuel, but it also used bulbs.

- on a recent driving trip in the UK where headlights are not mandatory, DRLs seem like a status symbol saying 'my car is newer than yours without DRLs'

- When I learned to drive in the UK headlights were not required at night on lit streets - and parking lights were!
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Old 28.11.2018, 17:07
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

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Depends, I generally don't use them during the day.

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Old 28.11.2018, 17:21
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

Perhaps it would be better to simply have the dimmed headlights on at all times. It's what I do anyway as my car has no dedicated daylights, thankfully they're turned off automatically by the ignition off. But even if the car had daylights I'd probably not use them because I'm sure I'd often forget to turn the dimmed headlights on in tunnels, and in those cases I wouldn't I'd be quite likely to not turn them off once out.
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

Sorry to bring up an old thread but can someone clarify whether tail lights need to be on during the day as well? I was told that my car’s taillights weren’t on during the day and it is mandatory but couldn’t find any proof of the requirement.
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Old 12.12.2019, 17:15
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Sorry to bring up an old thread but can someone clarify whether tail lights need to be on during the day as well? I was told that my car’s taillights weren’t on during the day and it is mandatory but couldn’t find any proof of the requirement.
No. That's why you couldn't find any proof!
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Sorry to bring up an old thread but can someone clarify whether tail lights need to be on during the day as well? I was told that my car’s taillights weren’t on during the day and it is mandatory but couldn’t find any proof of the requirement.
Daytime requirement is front only. Taillights only dusk/dark/fog.
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Old 12.12.2019, 17:31
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

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and dawn and also in tunnels

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The onus of proof is on the person making the claim. As you now know the actual answer sit back and see if they can find Art. 30 VRV as well.
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

Thanks for your quick feedback!
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Old 12.12.2019, 19:32
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

So you guys can all switch head- and taillights on/off separately? (fancy).
Or why is this being discussed?
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

Curley, my fairly recent car has a setting for day time driving. That turns on my front side-lights (not headlights), not tail lights. When it gets dark, or I go into a parking garage or tunnel the sensor puts on my headlights and tail lights until morning.

My car is smarter than I am.
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Curley, my fairly recent car has a setting for day time driving. That turns on my front side-lights (not headlights), not tail lights. When it gets dark, or I go into a parking garage or tunnel the sensor puts on my headlights and tail lights until morning.

My car is smarter than I am.
Bet it has more than one brain too!
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Old 12.12.2019, 19:55
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Curley, my fairly recent car has a setting for day time driving. That turns on my front side-lights (not headlights), not tail lights. When it gets dark, or I go into a parking garage or tunnel the sensor puts on my headlights and tail lights until morning.

My car is smarter than I am.
Fancy. So that's what I'll have to expect in my car which I will buy in about 10 years time then.
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

I got tired of the switching (and tired of getting fined for forgetting) and installed daytime running lights on my two old Ford cars myself. My previous even older Volvo had them OEM so it’s not just the age but the label that factors in.
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