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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

Anyone know how the Polizei / MFK etc will regard aftermarket DRL kits?

My first thought would be to buy some for a non-Swiss price, e.g. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-DAYTIM...-/170570425949... these are "E-approved", does that satisfy the Swiss?

Failing that, does anyone know a Swiss source for such things?

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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

In the U.S. I think around 1990 they made car manufacturers have the headlights come on when the car was running, also Motorcyles had this I'm sure before that as my 1978 Yamaha didn't even have a headlight on switch- came on when it was started. Anyway you could buy this thing for older cars that turned on the headlights at 60% of it's full brightness for daytime use, I think you can still buy it. So whenever you started your car the headlights would come on at 60%. Wouldn't this be legal here also to use, was thinking of ordering the kit as it's so easy to install. One of these days they will find out the yellow front side marker lights also save lives... I remember when the inported cars from the U.S. had to have the third brake light removed...
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In the U.S. I think around 1990 they made car manufacturers have the headlights come on when the car was running, also Motorcyles had this I'm sure before that as my 1978 Yamaha didn't even have a headlight on switch- came on when it was started.
My 1985 Guzzi LeMans (bought new in CT) was/is able to turn off the headlight.

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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

thanks for the info, will keep an eye on the new regulation
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My 1985 Guzzi LeMans (bought new in CT) was/is able to turn off the headlight.

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This feature was mandated(I think) and adopted by major bike manufacturers around 2000. My 1999 Triumph (955 Sprint ST) didn't have it, but on the 2003 Suzuki (gixxer thou) there was no on-off light switch fitted.

The cynic in me likes to point out that this, as well as the rule that dipped headlights are only allowed to use one beam, not two, were both nice cost-saving options for the manufacturers to fit.
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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

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In the UK, yes. But not Italy or Switzerland.

I have two Ducatis from 2003, an SS1000 (Swiss version), and a 999R (Italian version), on both I can turn off the lights.

BUT, I also have some spare switchgear off a UK 2003 SS1000, and that has no provision to turn off the lights!

The US was much earlier (late '70s), my bike somehow slipped through the cracks.

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Anyone know how the Polizei / MFK etc will regard aftermarket DRL kits?

My first thought would be to buy some for a non-Swiss price, e.g. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LED-DAYTIM...-/170570425949... these are "E-approved", does that satisfy the Swiss?

Failing that, does anyone know a Swiss source for such things?

Thanks
I've ordered some Philips LED4 DRLs for my car. I'll fit them soon but there are some requirements - one being positioning and the other being angle (visible).

I believe sticking to the EU norm is good too. So:
  • Turn off when the headlights come on (the Philips ones have a controller that does this)
  • At least 250mm but not more than 1500mm from the ground
  • Spaced (on the inner side) at least 600mm apart
  • No more than 20 degrees off front-facing and no more than 10 degrees variation up/down

Hope that helps!
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In the UK, yes. But not Italy or Switzerland.
My gixxer was a Swiss purchase through an official Suzuki dealer so they, at least, had implemented it here whether required or not. In effect they, along with most other major manufacturers, try to avoid having variations depending on destination, if they possibly can.

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You want to fit some chunkier tyres then...
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I've ordered some Philips LED4 DRLs for my car. I'll fit them soon but there are some requirements - one being positioning and the other being angle (visible).


I believe sticking to the EU norm is good too. So:
  • Turn off when the headlights come on (the Philips ones have a controller that does this)
  • At least 250mm but not more than 1500mm from the ground
  • Spaced (on the inner side) at least 600mm apart
  • No more than 20 degrees off front-facing and no more than 10 degrees variation up/down
Hope that helps!
Hi,

I wonder if you got those daytime lights installed and if yes what your experience with them is like?

Did you install them yourself? if yes how easy/hard were they to install?

Also, as a general question, is it a fact that Switzerland is following the EU regulations regarding the location and direction of the light fitting?

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Also, as a general question, is it a fact that Switzerland is following the EU regulations regarding the location and direction of the light fitting?
I take out the last question back, I see that TCS has a manual of where to install and indeed they are following the EU regulation.

Would still be interested in getting thoughts on how well the Philips were and how easy were they to install.

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Daytime driving without lights to be outlawed

Hi,

Don't know if everyone knows the new regulations on daytime driving. Starting from 1 Jan 2014, all headlights of vehicles should be on during daytime hours.

For further information, please see the links below:

http://healthyandsafe.biz/mandatory-...ar-headlights/
http://www.thelocal.ch/20131204/dayt...to-be-outlawed

I think it's good to do that for Winter time, but still not sure if it's good or bad in summer time.
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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

There will be a lot of people with automatic lights getting fined!

Both my cars (with said feature) do not turn the lights on in the daytime. So I have to manually turn them on - and when leaving the car they don't turn off automatically.

GRRRRRR

I have had too many Swedish cars
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There will be a lot of people with automatic lights getting fined!

Both my cars (with said feature) do not turn the lights on in the daytime. So I have to manually turn them on - and when leaving the car they don't turn off automatically.

GRRRRRR

I have had too many Swedish cars
Gotta get my VW Serviced soon - I wonder if they'll be able to change the auto setting to what was done on later cars...
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I was about to google the same thing for the BMW and Discovery.
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Gotta get my VW Serviced soon - I wonder if they'll be able to change the auto setting to what was done on later cars...
Not sure how old your car is, but on my 2007 golf V I turned DRL on myself with a VAG-COM. I made it use the fog lights at 100% (you can specify the % brightness in 10% increments). I also turned on a feature which activates the corresponding fog light when the steering wheel turns, which happens only when the regular headlights are on and the fog lights are off.
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Not sure how old your car is, but on my 2007 golf V I turned DRL on myself with a VAG-COM. I made it use the fog lights at 100% (you can specify the % brightness in 10% increments). I also turned on a feature which activates the corresponding fog light when the steering wheel turns, which happens only when the regular headlights are on and the fog lights are off.
Thanks for that. Mine's a 2008 R36, which doesn't have fog lights but does have little white ones that come on one side only when you're turning.

So I'll ask what options they can give me. Or maybe I'll just shell out for the VAG-COM cable and stuff and do it myself...
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There will be a lot of people with automatic lights getting fined!

Both my cars (with said feature) do not turn the lights on in the daytime. So I have to manually turn them on - and when leaving the car they don't turn off automatically.

GRRRRRR

I have had too many Swedish cars
I paid for an extra pack for my car which included automatic lights.

When the car came he told me that due to upcoming regulations the lights will stay on all the time. The car even has an 'A' setting...but even if you put it in off the lights will stay on.

Of course no discount considering the car didn't actually have the automatic feature!
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Thanks for that. Mine's a 2008 R36, which doesn't have fog lights but does have little white ones that come on one side only when you're turning.

So I'll ask what options they can give me. Or maybe I'll just shell out for the VAG-COM cable and stuff and do it myself...
It could be that those cornering lights have the same function as the fog lights on my car. I don't see any specific "cornering lights as DRL" option. The choices are: Scandanavian (turn on all lights, tail too), North American (turn on only headlights). With a further option, use fog lights as DRL.

My VAG-COM cable has paid for itself with small things that I had to fix on the car, I think it's a good investment. Paying AMAG 150/hr or whatever it costs to diagnose problems can get expensive. I only wish I would have bought the version that supports more cars so I could help out my friends as well Another nice feature I turned on was the automatic 4-way flashers during emergency braking.

* sorry for going off-topic!
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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

AFAIK all VW models for the last 4 years have DRLs (daylight running lights) which cannot be turned off...

You can either use your dimmed/dipped headlights or your daytime running lights.
http://healthyandsafe.biz/mandatory-...ar-headlights/
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I paid for an extra pack for my car which included automatic lights.

When the car came he told me that due to upcoming regulations the lights will stay on all the time. The car even has an 'A' setting...but even if you put it in off the lights will stay on.

Of course no discount considering the car didn't actually have the automatic feature!
I think the discount was used to pay to scrap your part exchange it's an in joke, the part exchange could not be driven & arrived at the garage by tow truck on a Sunday,
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