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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

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I think the discount was used to pay to scrap your part exchange it's an in joke, the part exchange could not be driven & arrived at the garage by tow truck on a Sunday,
I think calling that a part exchange is very generous. More a scrapage. I went back three months later and the POS was still in exactly the same place
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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

Stupid question: Are the LED "stripes" that you see on Audi (and other VW models) counted as DLR? Or would you need to drive with the main headlights switched on?
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AFAIK all VW models for the last 4 years have DRLs (daylight running lights) which cannot be turned off...
Not quite. Since ~2009 they changed the automatic light function to leave DRLs on, but there's still an 'Off" position which does what it says. (This based on wife's 2010 TT).
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Stupid question: Are the LED "stripes" that you see on Audi (and other VW models) counted as DLR? Or would you need to drive with the main headlights switched on?
Yes the LEDs are DLRs...
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

So more petrol consumption, shorter battery life, etc- I am really not convinced- and a pain in the neck for us with older cars.
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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

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Not quite. Since ~2009 they changed the automatic light function to leave DRLs on, but there's still an 'Off" position which does what it says. (This based on wife's 2010 TT).
OK. Well current Polo and Mk7 Golf off position leaves the DLRs on...
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

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So more petrol consumption, shorter battery life, etc- I am really not convinced- and a pain in the neck for us with older cars.
Beats running down pedestrians though...
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

For anyone that is interested:

http://www.miniinthebox.com/narrow/d...ht-bulbs_c3103

The are lighting units only. There is NO controller to turn them off when the headlights come on.

I have upgraded my sidelights with more powerful LED bulbs. I hope this is sufficient. Just have to find a way to make sure at least the sidelights are all the time (all lights switch off when the key is removed). I always drive with min on but the M's turns hers off which is makes it worse as when I drive the other car, the dash lights are always on even if no lights are.

If I could pickup a controller cheaply I'd retrofit some of these LEDS. But they seems to be only the front lights, not rear.

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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

For cars without DRL, do side lights count (small bulb within headlight housing), or must it be dipped main lights?
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

For those of you (including myself) who are planning to purchase a DRL* kit in LED, make sure you read the ECE-87 requirements (Vorschriften) otherwise you may not mount them properly.







Example of properly mounted DRL:






This one is also correct.



This one is illegal:



Click here for larger image


This one is definitely illegal


This and this don't seem to meet the requirement

This one may meet the requirement if the car's width is less than 1300 mm


Anyway, expect to see this during the first quarter of 2014 in Switzerland:





Also when in a tunnel, you have to turn on your headlights. Don't drive in tunnels with only your DRL on!




* locally known as:
-Tagfahrlicht (German)
-Feux de jour or Feux de circulation diurne (FCD) (French)
-Luci diurne (Italian)
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Beats running down pedestrians though...
I don't see how having headlights on during daylight hours is going to significantly reduce accidents.

I would like to see some very compelling statistics to be convinced otherwise.

(Unless, of course, such stats have already been posted in this multi-page thread)
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I don't see how having headlights on during daylight hours is going to significantly reduce accidents.

I would like to see some very compelling statistics to be convinced otherwise.

(Unless, of course, such stats have already been posted in this multi-page thread)
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...ns_Lights.aspx
http://members.optusnet.com.au/carsa..._nrma_racv.pdf
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811029.pdf

Some reading for you. Seems to be mixed.

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Empirical work has shown which type of DRL is most suitable. Dipped headlights, even with reduced light output, are not a good choice as much of the light is directed towards the road surface, which is ineffective during daytime (although effective at night). The best option appears to be dedicated DRL with an intensity of 1200 candelas. Although the introduction of an ADR is associated with long lead times, compulsory usage laws have little State support and are associated with compliance and enforcement problems.
Interesting
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Re: Day-time car headlights mandatory 1.01.2014

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So more petrol consumption, shorter battery life, etc- I am really not convinced- and a pain in the neck for us with older cars.
Battery life will not be effected as power comes from the alternator, LED lights use very little power so I doubt you will see any increased fuel consumption.
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Battery life will not be effected as power comes from the alternator, LED lights use very little power so I doubt you will see any increased fuel consumption.
Even with traditional halogen headlights on the total consumption would be less than 200W. So in the order of .1% of a car engine's power, and therefore almost unmeasurable in terms of additional fuel consumption.
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Battery life will not be effected as power comes from the alternator, LED lights use very little power so I doubt you will see any increased fuel consumption.
Most cars are NOT fitted with DRL so you have to run with headlights, unless of course my upgraded sidelight bulbs (white LEDs) count.

Thinking of adding some LEDs just to be sure. There are kits available with controller, or a few controllers available on thier own. Found some on Amazon.de including this one:

https://www.dectane.de/DRL/Daytime-R...ht-Module.html

I think the DRLs should include rear lights but does not seem to.
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Having to drive with lights on.

Hi all.
I know there is a posting on here somewhere about the law changing in January, to make us all drive without lights on all the time, it's just that the search function on here doesn't seem to want to return any results.

Anyway. I'm looking for clarification on the rules, if I can find it. My car (2006/7 impreza wagon) currently does not have daytime running lights, and if I've read the newspaper correctly, if your car has these, then that's ok to drive with just these, under the new law.
What I want to know is that if I fit aftermarket running lights, will I be ok, or do I have to have the full lights on? It's just a pain to change the bulbs in the headlamps, and expensive here too, as we will get through roughly 5 times the bulbs I worked out.
Also, if I get the aftermarkets, are there rules about where I fit them?
Any knowledge imparted will be gratefully received.
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Re: Having to drive with lights on.

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...to make us all drive without lights on all the time
Hmm I don't understand what you want to say!

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it's just that the search function on here doesn't seem to want to return any results..... Also, if I get the aftermarkets, are there rules about where I fit them?
Any knowledge imparted will be gratefully received.
Just scroll up and see my post


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Anyway. I'm looking for clarification on the rules, if I can find it. My car (2006/7 impreza wagon) currently does not have daytime running lights, and if I've read the newspaper correctly, if your car has these, then that's ok to drive with just these, under the new law.
Use your DRL lights only during daytime, when the weather is clear or sunny.

If you are in a tunnel, covered parking or if the weather is bad (e.g it is raining, snowing) when the visibility is bad + at dusk, sunset, night

==> Then you need to turn on your headlights.


You have two possibilities for mounting your DRL lights:

A) (recommended) Your DRL lights must turn off automatically when you turn on your position light.
So when your headlights are on, your DRL lights are off
Requirements:
-DRL Lights must be mounted no less than 25 cm above the ground


B) Your DRL lights remain on, dimmed at 50% when you turn on your position light.
In this case you must disable the two front position lights (it's easy, you just need to remove the 2 bulbs).
So when your headlights are on, your DRL lights are on, dimmed at 50%
Requirements:
-DRL Lights must be mounted no less than 35 cm above the ground
-Not permitted in cars with an automatic start-stop control

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I feel bad for owners of older cars: those overpriced H7 bulbs don't last very long and replacing them is a pain in the a...
Cars / bikes made before 1970 are exempt. What I can't understand is that mopeds and e-Bikes are also exempt - aren't bikes of any type the ones that are most easily overlooked and mopeds always seem to be used by vaguely distracted old men in Zurich anyway!

When it's drizzly or twilight (I'm surprised at how many cars leave it to the very last minute before dark to turn on their lights), especially silver cars can be a bit hard to spot if you are not 100% concentrating/really should have glasses, at least that's what I've observed with others... I have my lights on as standard anyway, my goodness did I get flashed at for that in the UK, I got all paranoid thinking something was wrong or a police check impending!

Finally, you may have noticed that most Swiss tunnels have a curve at both ends - this is to let your eyes get accustomed to the change in luminosity.

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Cars / bikes made before 1970 are exempt.
Cool, time to trade in all the semi-modern stuff (all 1982+) for some classics!

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Re: Day-time car headlights manditory 1.01.2014

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Cars / bikes made before 1970 are exempt. What I can't understand is that mopeds and e-Bikes are also exempt - aren't bikes of any type the ones that are most easily overlooked and mopeds always seem to be used by vaguely distracted old men in Zurich anyway!

When it's drizzly or twilight (I'm surprised at how many cars leave it to the very last minute before dark to turn on their lights), especially silver cars can be a bit hard to spot if you are not 100% concentrating/really should have glasses, at least that's what I've observed with others... I have my lights on as standard anyway, my did I get flashed at for that in the UK, I got all paranoid thinking something was wrong or a police check impeding!

Finally, you may have noticed that most Swiss tunnels have a curve at both ends - this is to let your eyes get accustomed to the change in luminosity.
The majority of pushbikes and mopeds don't even have proper working lights when it's dark ...... so do you think the riders would use them in the daytime?

..... and the cars that wait till the last minute, must mistakenly think that their use will cost them money - as previously suggested.
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