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Damaged car and Swiss law?

Hi all,

I have a question. I found this car I really like as it is much cheaper because it's front right side is slightly damaged - hole in the bumper, small hole in the headlamp and some scratches. This is relatively easily to repair and cheap to do in my hometown by my friend.

So, my question is what issues I could experience when buying the car? Will i have to repair it first before getting plates and reg. papers and also do MFK again?

The last MFK was done in 2011.

This is the damage:


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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

Whether it is legal or not is another matter, BUT it is useful to remember that the inspectors don't like to get their hands dirty.

If they get their hands dirty they'll fail the car.

With the car above they will need to inspect the taped on repair - which means touching it - meaning their hands get dirty. Once dirty they will find something to fail it on.
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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

Next MFK due depends on the age of the car. But from the look of the car it seems to be a recent model so MFK is not due immediately.

BUT: Are you shure the car suffered only outside demage. From your pictures it looks like it is sligthly missaligned.
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Whether it is legal or not is another matter, BUT it is useful to remember that the inspectors don't like to get their hands dirty.

If they get their hands dirty they'll fail the car.

With the car above they will need to inspect the taped on repair - which means touching it - meaning their hands get dirty. Once dirty they will find something to fail it on.
what if he provides the inspector a hand sanitizer , Will he be still angry ?
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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

I doubt you will be called up immediately, even if you are you will have at least 6 weeks to get it repaired.

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Hi all,

I have a question. I found this car I really like as it is much cheaper because it's front right side is slightly damaged - hole in the bumper, small hole in the headlamp and some scratches. This is relatively easily to repair and cheap to do in my hometown by my friend.

So, my question is what issues I could experience when buying the car? Will i have to repair it first before getting plates and reg. papers and also do MFK again?

The last MFK was done in 2011.

This is the damage:


Many thanks
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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

You write "This is relatively easily to repair and cheap to do in my hometown by my friend."

My thought is, how far away is your friend? With that bodywork damage it doesn't look very roadworthy to me, it looks illegal.
It will definitely fail the MFK in that condition. But you can get your plates without a fresh MFK.

Would you be able to avoid the police and pedestrians when driving it to your friend? If you hit somebody even at slow speeds, it looks like you would kill them with those sharp broken plastic edges.
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You write "This is relatively easily to repair and cheap to do in my hometown by my friend."

My thought is, how far away is your friend? With that bodywork damage it doesn't look very roadworthy to me, it looks illegal.
It will definitely fail the MFK in that condition. But you can get your plates without a fresh MFK.

Would you be able to avoid the police and pedestrians when driving it to your friend? If you hit somebody even at slow speeds, it looks like you would kill them with those sharp broken plastic edges.
Agreed... In the UK, if the Police stopped this on the road, it would get an immediate prohibition (called a PG9) meaning it could not be driven any further, but must be collected on a truck. This plus a large fine and points on your licence!

You should really get it properly transported to the repair garage before driving it.
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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

Ok, so to sum up.

1. I should not have problems with getting plates for the car and if it comes to MFK the car needs to be fixed, right?

(But also, if this car been in an accident, would it not have this put in papers? )

2. I could be stopped by police and be told to fix it anyway, so it would be my risk to drive it (but I could put some tapes and paint it just so it is not so obvious until it gets fixed)
The drive to my friend is relatively long, outside of Switzerland, so the only risk would be to drive it though Swiss and then I would get in to Germany.

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"BUT: Are you shure the car suffered only outside demage. From your pictures it looks like it is sligthly missaligned. "

Everything else looks relatively good, the airbags have not gone off, so it looks that someone drove it to something small.

I will go check the car on Saturday with some maybe swiss mechanic to see if it is wort anyway.
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(But also, if this car been in an accident, would it not have this put in papers? )
No. Why would it?

Anyway, just be careful - if something looks and sounds too good to be true it's usually because it is too good to be true. Even at trade prices, there's at least a couple of grand's worth of damage there.
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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

if it hit something in that area I would also expect some suspension damage, I bet it doesn't drive in a straight line.
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No. Why would it?

Anyway, just be careful - if something looks and sounds too good to be true it's usually because it is too good to be true. Even at trade prices, there's at least a couple of grand's worth of damage there.

Well, I just spoke to a friend of mine (non swiss guy) and he suggested that it might be written off??Not sure about that, thats why I am asking here.

Well, it does not sound too good, it just sounds like a good deal, as the same car with no damage is worth like extra few thousands more, so from my perspective, having a painter/mechanic friend makes this relatively good deal.
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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

I've driven here with similar damage before getting around to fixing it, no problem.

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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

You should get the front wheel alignment checked before you drive it too far. If they are not aligned your two front tyres will wear out quicker.
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I've driven here with similar damage before getting around to fixing it, no problem.

Tom
Thanks Tom.

So you saying that Police should not stop me (i would try to cover this anyway as much as I can with some black building tape so it is not that obvious)

But also, from buying perspective, the transaction should be as normal? right? no extra hiccups?
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You should get the front wheel alignment checked before you drive it too far. If they are not aligned your two front tyres will wear out quicker.
I would definitely take it for a test drive before buying, to see if there is any extra force pushing this car to either side.
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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

It depends on whether the grey card mentions the damage or not. If so, you will need to do an MFK before registering it. Generally, this will only be the case if the police are called and the vehicle is determined to not be roadworthy.

I once bought a motorcycle that had been crashed, and it said so in the grey card.

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It depends on whether the grey card mentions the damage or not. If so, you will need to do an MFK before registering it. Generally, this will only be the case if the police are called and the vehicle is determined to not be roadworthy.

I once bought a motorcycle that had been crashed, and it said so in the grey card.

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Thanks Tom. It is exactly the answer I was looking for. Do you know how it is called in German so I can call dealer and ask him for that? As if this is the case then I am out.

Found this on autoscout24.ch

Totalschaden
Ein Totalschaden liegt vor, wenn eine Reparatur teurer ist als die Differenz zwischen Wiederbeschaffungs- und Restwert. Nur diese Differenz erstattet Ihnen die Versicherung; dabei muss es sich aber nicht um einen Schaden handeln, der sich nicht mehr reparieren lässt.

So, if the car was written of (it does not look it should as it is a small damage) then it would be in the papers. What I should ask dealer to find out if the papers are clean?

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So, if the car was written of (it does not look it should as it is a small damage) then it would be in the papers. What I should ask dealer to find out if the papers are clean?
If it were written off the dealer wouldn't be able to sell it to you and let you drive it away.

Assuming an honest dealer, of course...
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No, but they could sell you the wreck, you fix it and MFK it, and the new grey card makes no further mention (unlike the US, where you get a 'salvage' titel). They did ask me when I MFKed it what damage it had had to total it, and what I had done to put it back in order (total front end replacement).

Cost me about CHF 200 in new parts, the rest I had as spares after I had upgraded my other LeMans with newer, better bits.

That's what I did 22 years ago, and still own/ride that bike.

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Re: Damaged car and Swiss law?

If you buy the car the sole trips after you paid for the car should be: From dealer to your place. Then from your place to the mechanic. Do not use it for your daily commute until it is fixed.

A Totalschaden will not be in the paper. It is just a financial term which means "reapir cost > cars value (before accident)". Someone's Totalschaden can be someone else's bargain.

Misaligement may not be detected by a simple test drive. I had a car which was visible missaligend but I did not feel anything unusal while driving.

Police, accident and MFK, here is the law:
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1 Die Polizei meldet der Zulassungsbehörde Fahrzeuge, die bei Unfällen starke Schäden erlitten haben oder bei Kontrollen erhebliche Mängel aufwiesen. Diese müssen nachgeprüft werden.
The police will inform the StVA/SAN if a car suffered sever damage in an accident or sees major defect during a control. From that, I do not see anything that it has to be in the cars paperwork. But when it is you know at least what you are up to.
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