Speeding ticket & "HIGH administration" costs - Page 2

bowlie · #21 10.04.2021, 19:35

I deleted my original response. Let me just say you are lucky you still have your license.

TIS.

curley · #22 10.04.2021, 21:50

Causative principle rules in Switzerland.
You cause anybody work and expenses, you pay for it. All the way down to paper, ink, postage ...

The judge's time is the most expensive and at Fr. 280.00 there was probably one involved. It's not only expats who make 120k/year here.

It's tough but to be honest, I think it's fair. Why should the taxpayer pay for your fu**-ups?

Guess you have to bite the bullet.
To be honest, before I break the traffic-law I always decide consciously whether the possible fine is worth it to me.

(And then pay it without discussion if they catch me).

besmegenis · #23 10.04.2021, 21:56

	Quote:	curley
	Causative principle rules in Switzerland. You cause anybody work and expenses, you pay for it. All the way down to paper, ink, postage ... The judge's time is the most expensive and at Fr. 280.00 there was probably one involved. It's not only expats who make 120k/year here.

Just curious, how much judge earn in Switzerland?

curley · #24 10.04.2021, 23:28

	Quote:	besmegenis
	Just curious, how much judge earn in Switzerland?

your google result is as good as mine.

120-248K/year apparently.

Kittster · #25 11.04.2021, 13:25

	Quote:	besmegenis
	Just curious, how much judge earn in Switzerland?

And you need to have a squeaky clean background. No big fines, no Betreibung, no ties that make you vulnerable to corruption or nepotism. In case you were considering a career change.

st2lemans · #26 11.04.2021, 14:29

	Quote:	Kittster
	And you need to have a squeaky clean background. No big fines, no Betreibung, no ties that make you vulnerable to corruption or nepotism. In case you were considering a career change.

Meanwhile, 20 years ago in Ticino:

"A former Swiss judge and one-time president of canton Ticino's criminal court, Franco Verda, and a suspected mafia boss, Gerardo Cuomo, have been found guilty of corruption at the end of a high-profile trial in the city of Lugano."

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/former-...--case/2110132

Tom

curley · #27 11.04.2021, 16:21

	Quote:	Kittster
	And you need to have a squeaky clean background. No big fines, no Betreibung, no ties that make you vulnerable to corruption or nepotism. In case you were considering a career change.

I would guess one needs to be Swiss too.

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Meanwhile, 20 years ago in Ticino: "A former Swiss judge and one-time president of canton Ticino's criminal court, Franco Verda, and a suspected mafia boss, Gerardo Cuomo, have been found guilty of corruption at the end of a high-profile trial in the city of Lugano." https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/former-...--case/2110132 Tom

The detail lies in former.
You need a clean slate before and during you're doing the job. Afterwards you're free to behave like anyone else.

Although I should think a former judge would know how not to get caught?

st2lemans · #28 11.04.2021, 17:36

	Quote:	curley
	The detail lies in former.

He was former when he was sentenced, he was a serving judge when he was arrested.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/top-tic...missed/1700744

P.S. He married his girlfriend of nearly 20 years two weeks before they were both arrested. Coincidence?

Tom

Tom1234 · #29 11.04.2021, 18:14

	Quote:	curley
	Although I should think a former judge would know how not to get caught?

Is that how it works here then?

I was pretty sure it was like that but wanted confirmation from a Swiss person.

st2lemans · #30 11.04.2021, 18:18

	Quote:	Tom1234
	Is that how it works here then? I was pretty sure it was like that but wanted confirmation from a Swiss person.

He wasn't former when he was caught.

Tom

Tom1234 · #31 12.04.2021, 12:40

Did he actually go to prison and serve time in the end?

curley · #32 12.04.2021, 12:59

	Quote:	st2lemans
	He was former when he was sentenced, he was a serving judge when he was arrested. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/top-tic...missed/1700744 P.S. He married his girlfriend of nearly 20 years two weeks before they were both arrested. Coincidence? Tom

Defintely not coincidence, a lot doesn't need to be told this way.

And who would know that better than a judge.

	Quote:	st2lemans
	He wasn't former when he was caught. Tom

18 months "bedingt" (on probation) seems very soft verdict to me.
More painful was losing his pension

Urs Max · #33 12.04.2021, 16:36

	Quote:	st2lemans
	P.S. He married his girlfriend of nearly 20 years two weeks before they were both arrested. Coincidence? Tom

Gifts among spouses are tax-free. The verdict probably included some sort of repayment of the money the "deal" earned him, he may have tried to use the marriage to move his assets to safety. Which is quite ironic given that he needed to trust his wife after f*ing the public.

That said, such probably wouldn't work nowadays, I seem to remember that assets were seized retroactively in cases where one spouse transferred them to the other while being prosecuted.

st2lemans · #34 12.04.2021, 16:46

	Quote:	curley
	18 months "bedingt" (on probation) seems very soft verdict to me. More painful was losing his pension

And being stripped of being a judge/lawyer.

Anyway, he was dead by then.

And it is "assumed" that HE was protecting HER, as it all started with a sexy photo of her by a papararazo on the yacht of he who shall not be named (but that you can find if you look hard enough)!

P.S. I've actually met her, I will say no more about how and why, apart to say that I should not have put up with her BS, and that I was there to support my GF (now wife), though we were proven right in the end, albeit a bit late.

Tom

st2lemans · #35 12.04.2021, 16:49

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Gifts among spouses are tax-free.

You missed the part about the 300k she was gifted by the Mafia dude.

https://www.tio.ch/ticino/12764/tici...san-bernardino

Tom

st2lemans · #36 12.04.2021, 16:52

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Gifts among spouses are tax-free. The verdict probably included some sort of repayment of the money the "deal" earned him, he may have tried to use the marriage to move his assets to safety. Which is quite ironic given that he needed to trust his wife after f*ing the public. That said, such probably wouldn't work nowadays, I seem to remember that assets were seized retroactively in cases where one spouse transferred them to the other while being prosecuted.

It wasn't about assets, it was about testifying against BF/GF vs spouse!

Tom

Urs Max · #37 12.04.2021, 16:54

	Quote:	st2lemans
	You missed the part about the 300k she was gifted by the Mafia dude. https://www.tio.ch/ticino/12764/tici...san-bernardino Tom

Was she allowed to keep that? I would have thought confiscation of ill gotten stuff is automatic, even back then.

	Quote:	st2lemans
	It wasn't about assets, it was about testifying against BF/GF vs spouse! Tom

Yeah, now that you've mentioned it...

Sean Connery · #38 12.04.2021, 17:24

	Quote:	Reycobos
	I know it's quite old this topic but I recently got a fine for 280 CHF plus "Gebühren", another 330 CHF. It was on the Autobahn driving at 106 on a section of 80 (I hadn't seen the 80 sign). Anyway, I received the first letter asking to identify the driver. I'd sent it back and then I received the fine of 610 CHF total (280 + 330). I googled this information here because I didn´t expect to pay 330 of administration fees but at the end I just accepted my fate ....till yesterday. Just month later I received a letter from the "Departement Volkswirtschaft und inneres" of Aarau. It's a warning and they come with a 220 CHF "Verfahrenkosten betragen" I've got 14 days to disagree or, if I don't do anything on 30 days, I automatically agree and then I'll received the bill to pay. So in total 830 CHF. However, right now I'm expecting more fees on top of that: 120 CHF for the administration fee of the previous administration fee. A rightful one of 150 CHF just to be agreed with them. Another one for cross-chain information between cantons around 90 CHF. Another 30 CHF fair "green fee" for all the letters and wasted paper. An important one for the printing process, around 20 CHF. Lastly, a 50 CHF for sending it home. I just need to be careful to be here when the post man arrives, otherwise I might be charge 30 CHF for the "Abholungseinladung". Finally, after 5 years when they have to remove the warning and my name from the record, I'll received another one.

I think if you sped by 1km less (and you had 4/6kph removed for error, depending laser or radar) then you would have just paid 260,-

You just stepping off the table of Ordnungsbussen cost you a lot

https://www.comparis.ch/autoversiche...tuelles/bussen

H in CH · #39 13.04.2021, 18:32

I think this thread contains many good comments (to learn from):

• LEARN from others, speeding in Switzerland usually has expensive consequences (mine :-))
• be aware of the temporary infrared, concealed, black tripod speeding cameras (SOBEIT)
• a [valid driving] license has value (bowlie)
• people’s time here in CH costs many CHF’s (curley)
• bite the bullet (curley)

and my favourite:

. spend [more] on Christmas presents... (AbFab) :-)

Thank you all.
Being the original (2013) on this thread, I would like to specifically thank Reycobos (2021) with sharing their recent similar pain, as well as importantly all others who have contributed and provided valuable feedback/discussion points.

It took a “HIGH administrative” fine like this for me to learn a lesson (or two) and I’m happy to report thanks to feedback, it hasn’t happened again since.