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Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minefield

I have a BPT121 with D1 (which is now not suitable for vehicles with 16 places), has anyone done the Cambus course (cambus.ch) & can relay the details?

Also, a friend who works for a home for people with disabilities as a driver and is confused about the 16 seater/D1 new law (1st sept) which will not allow him (even with his D1) to drive this bus anymore when he needs to. does anyone have information on this please?

Finally, digital tachometers, if I drive a 4-seater limousine (I will buy a Mercedes S-Class soon) should it be fitted with a digital tachometer?

I have trawled through all the forum posts & done a massive search on here but it seems these subjects have not been covered, I intend to employ drivers with BPT 121 soon (English speaking) so any info is well appreciated.

Ah sorry, one more thing... it is very surprising to know of so many so called professional drivers who DON'T have these qualifications necessary to basically transport people in Switzerland (there was a huge Kontrolle in the summer in Interlaken) and even an old people's home in Central Switzerland which has 2 drivers who don't have the proper licence. I think the fine would be huge no? ....I want to avoid this when setting up a new company soon...I even have to do research on having an operators licence, I will find out but so much information needed with all the regulations...

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I have a BPT121 with D1 (which is now not suitable for vehicles with 16 places), has anyone done the Cambus course (cambus.ch) & can relay the details?

Also, a friend who works for a home for people with disabilities as a driver and is confused about the 16 seater/D1 new law (1st sept) which will not allow him (even with his D1) to drive this bus anymore when he needs to. does anyone have information on this please?

Finally, digital tachometers, if I drive a 4-seater limousine (I will buy a Mercedes S-Class soon) should it be fitted with a digital tachometer?

I have trawled through all the forum posts & done a massive search on here but it seems these subjects have not been covered, I intend to employ drivers with BPT 121 soon (English speaking) so any info is well appreciated.

Ah sorry, one more thing... it is very surprising to know of so many so called professional drivers who DON'T have these qualifications necessary to basically transport people in Switzerland (there was a huge Kontrolle in the summer in Interlaken) and even an old people's home in Central Switzerland which has 2 drivers who don't have the proper licence. I think the fine would be huge no? ....I want to avoid this when setting up a new company soon...I even have to do research on having an operators licence, I will find out but so much information needed with all the regulations...
To be honest I'm throwing this out again for any help as I think it was not the right time, I originally wrote it just before the festive season when most were thinking of free-time as opposed to work...I think a Limo driver is a good job no, quite well paid (around 300.- per day) with no way you can be asked to work more for the money (Tacograph) ... I know many in the business struggle to find especially English speaking drivers (many are Eastern European who speak only their own language and Swiss German believe it or not)...
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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

Hi Hausamsee,

I read your post about BPT 121 requirements and i have a few questions about it.

What is required to work for limousine company in Zurich.

I have digital Tachograph card already.

Do I need to do BPT 121 training, could you give me some advice how to start it?

Does the BPT 121 covers B and D driving licenses?
How much does it cost?

Is it possible to do this in English?

I found some information on internet , but I am still confused.

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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

I was unaware of a change in law regarding the BPT D1 license, so thank you for raising this point!

For all matters with driving licenses, I believe it is safest to ask at the road traffic office or at a driving school.
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Hi Hausamsee,

I read your post about BPT 121 requirements and i have a few questions about it.

What is required to work for limousine company in Zurich.

I have digital Tachograph card already.

Do I need to do BPT 121 training, could you give me some advice how to start it?

Does the BPT 121 covers B and D driving licenses?
How much does it cost?

Is it possible to do this in English?

I found some information on internet , but I am still confused.

Thank you.
Derek
Sbrinz is right, check with your local Strassenverkehrtsamt for the detail but just to let you know that, no, the BPT121 theory course cannot be done in English and it is likely that the practical will be tested by only a german speaker (or one of the other national languages).

To work for a Limousine company as a driver you have to have the BPT121.

As I said in my previous post the BPT121 is an extra catagory of your B licence, with your D you should check with VSZ whether it covers you driving a 9-16 seater (for hire or reward).

To obtain BPT 121 for limousine chauffeurs you will need to have 1) a doctor's certificate (specific) 2) do a theory test 3) practical test (with around 6-7 lessons) for BPT121 (taxi) specialist driving instructor.
Rough costs: 1) 120CHF 2) each lesson 20CHF 3) 150CHF plus around 90CHF for 45min lessons with instructor.

Length of allowed process (whole) 2 years.

Theory test is mostly about Tachographs, legal driving times and rules, found in the book ARV2 from Strassenverkehrsamt and here: www.online-theorie.ch DEMO VERSION
You must get 27/30 minimum to pass theory test and can take as many times as you like.

Practical is 1hr 15min, he/she will ask you to drive to a hospital or railway station and might criticize you during your test or correct you, they will look for how calm you are, that you follow the instructions they give you and whether you are a smooth driver amongst other things you would expect. You have only 3 attempts so it is better to have as many lessons as you can (even up to 10), if you failed all then you would have to see a psychiatrist (if you haven't given up by then).

Hope all this helps, if you want to do it then go ahead and don't be put off, the theory for native English speakers is the toughest, I took 6 attempts but I'm quite proud to have passed as the words can be really long.

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Hope all this helps, if you want to do it then go ahead and don't be put off, the theory for native English speakers is the toughest, I took 6 attempts but I'm quite proud to have passed as the words can be really long.
6 attempts to pass a driver's course where you drive other people around and publicly admit to that? And so, are you driving people around? Name of company please?
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6 attempts to pass a driver's course where you drive other people around and publicly admit to that? And so, are you driving people around? Name of company please?
Read again, it was a theory test in German, I have never learnt to read or write written German, hence why I failed the test (until I learnt the whole book off by heart) and probably why you have never had an expat taxi driver in all the times you took a cab...
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Sbrinz is right, check with your local Strassenverkehrtsamt for the detail but just to let you know that, no, the BPT121 theory course cannot be done in English and it is likely that the practical will be tested by only a german speaker (or one of the other national languages).

To work for a Limousine company as a driver you have to have the BPT121.

As I said in my previous post the BPT121 is an extra catagory of your B licence, with your D you should check with VSZ whether it covers you driving a 9-16 seater (for hire or reward).

To obtain BPT 121 for limousine chauffeurs you will need to have 1) a doctor's certificate (specific) 2) do a theory test 3) practical test (with around 6-7 lessons) for BPT121 (taxi) specialist driving instructor.
Rough costs: 1) 120CHF 2) each lesson 20CHF 3) 150CHF plus around 90CHF for 45min lessons with instructor.

Length of allowed process (whole) 2 years.

Theory test is mostly about Tachographs, legal driving times and rules, found in the book ARV2 from Strassenverkehrsamt and here: www.online-theorie.ch DEMO VERSION
You must get 27/30 minimum to pass theory test and can take as many times as you like.

Practical is 1hr 15min, he/she will ask you to drive to a hospital or railway station and might criticize you during your test or correct you, they will look for how calm you are, that you follow the instructions they give you and whether you are a smooth driver amongst other things you would expect. You have only 3 attempts so it is better to have as many lessons as you can (even up to 10), if you failed all then you would have to see a psychiatrist (if you haven't given up by then).

Hope all this helps, if you want to do it then go ahead and don't be put off, the theory for native English speakers is the toughest, I took 6 attempts but I'm quite proud to have passed as the words can be really long.
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Read again, it was a theory test in German, I have never learnt to read or write written German, hence why I failed the test (until I learnt the whole book off by heart), is that OK for you?
MY bad. I thought you mentioned you took it in English. Sorry, it has been a long day. Interesting thread other then this mis understanding.
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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

About 7 years ago I was unemployed and I started the D101 driving license procedure. I attended the lessons with a taxi company in Bern, studied the rules, and then started to gain experience by riding with experienced drivers between 9 am and 12 noon.

Quite an eye opener! At the taxi company training we learnt that Fr 5'000 each month was attainable by hard work: Ha Ha! Even working the maximum 56 hours per week it would be an impossible target: the reason being that most of the day was spent waiting for customers. The only good earning potential periods were during weekends, evenings and nights. These were block booked by the senior employees, realistic wages for normal drivers were Fr 2'000 to Fr 3'000 per month.

I had the impression that many of the self employed, contracted workers, were using the taxi income to legitimize a life style, while receiving other earnings/benefits (For example invalidity payments from other countries).

Then I heard of the fines and costs imposed by the commercial police in Bern. The rest periods are legally stated, and after sitting in the taxi waiting 5 hours for customers, the drivers are tempted to "work" through their breaks, which is illegal. One driver was fined Fr 500 for his first offense, and Fr 5'000 for his second. Drivers are also required to buy a trading license from the city, which I think IIRC was about Fr 600 per year.

In the end I never took the test in Bern, it wasn't commercially viable, maybe working 50 hours per week for perhaps Fr 800 cash. Then you need to pay the AHV and taxes! I was told the situation was worse in Geneva and Zurich. In all 3 towns there were about 50% too many taxis and not enough customers.

I imagine the chauffeur work mentioned would be an "on call" job, what in UK is called a daily job. I don't imagine there would be continuous chauffeur employment: so go into it with open eyes, and try and get a contract with some minimum hours stated.

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About 7 years ago I was unemployed and I started the D101 driving license procedure. I attended the lessons with a taxi company in Bern, studied the rules, and then started to gain experience by riding with experienced drivers between 9 am and 12 noon.

Quite an eye opener! At the taxi company training we learnt that Fr 5'000 each month was attainable by hard work: Ha Ha! Even working the maximum 56 hours per week it would be an impossible target: the reason being that most of the day was spent waiting for customers. The only good earning potential periods were during weekends, evenings and nights. These were block booked by the senior employees, realistic wages for normal drivers were Fr 2'000 to Fr 3'000 per month.

I had the impression that many of the self employed, contracted workers, were using the taxi income to legitimize a life style, while receiving other earnings/benefits (For example invalidity payments from other countries).

Then I heard of the fines and costs imposed by the commercial police in Bern. The rest periods are legally stated, and after sitting in the taxi waiting 5 hours for customers, the drivers are tempted to "work" through their breaks, which is illegal. One driver was fined Fr 500 for his first offense, and Fr 5'000 for his second. Drivers are also required to buy a trading license from the city, which I think IIRC was about Fr 600 per year.

In the end I never took the test in Bern, it wasn't commercially viable, maybe working 50 hours per week for perhaps Fr 800 cash. Then you need to pay the AHV and taxes! I was told the situation was worse in Geneva and Zurich. In all 3 towns there were about 50% too many taxis and not enough customers.

I imagine the chauffeur work mentioned would be an "on call" job, what in UK is called a daily job. I don't imagine there would be continuous chauffeur employment: so go into it with open eyes, and try and get a contract with some minimum hours stated.

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I do see your point but perhaps you are looking too much from your own perspective, as getting any kind of work these days can be tough then it is always an advantage to be flexible. As i mentioned in my first post, even drivers of (up to) 16 seat buses now need BPT121 to earn their money.

Anyone who might not earn much from their work as self-employed could supplement it with this work for example, or work with handicapped homes (as a driver), or ferry around rich & famous people earning 70CHF per hour with your own (tacho-fitted) car. Sure, if you want to sit in a white Prius for 4 hours without doing anything then the taxi option is for you (though I have a colleague from Lucerne who earns 400CHF a night on weekends as private hire), taxi work is definitely not for me...I am a tour operator by the way, I need the BPT as sometimes I like to drive my own customers (especially over the passes) rather than be stuck in the office week in week out....
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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

Hi, did anybody take the practicle driving exam. I took and have seen the examiner tries to trick you. Tries to divert your Attention.


Are there any experiences?
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Hi, did anybody take the practicle driving exam. I took and have seen the examiner tries to trick you. Tries to divert your Attention.

Are there any experiences?
Seems reasonable, what effect do you think a drunken passenger has? The examiner is simply making sure you will keep focusing on the traffic, thereby ensuring safe transport.
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Seems reasonable, what effect do you think a drunken passenger has? The examiner is simply making sure you will keep focusing on the traffic, thereby ensuring safe transport.




Hi Max,


it's that a drunkard passenger will distract you. But here you have People tricking you. Does that make a difference.
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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

He is not tricking you but rather testing how you react to distractions
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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

hi , i am an indian with Ci permit , can i drive uber here and can i get b121 license here in switzerland ? i am not able to get a job yet so wanted to start earning by driving uber ?
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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

Sure, with a C permit or even with a B permit you can get a BPT license. Just go to UBer and they will help you out.
Its important that you take some driving lessons before your go to give your exam.
There are two test, one is theory and the other one is practicle.


The practicle exam takes 45 min. and your have to show your skills not only as a driver but also as a professional taxi driver.


I did my BPT and I know without proper schooling one can't pass.


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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

Thank you so much , any suggestions as to how is driving with uber is in terms of earnings or if I can join a private limousine company
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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

You can't earn much with uber while it pays less and charges 30% of what you earn.


There are many possibilities that you can work for private companies.


But first pass your BPT exam.


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You can't earn much with uber while it pays less and charges 30% of what you earn.


There are many possibilities that you can work for private companies.


But first pass your BPT exam.


Cheers

I don’t know French , I just contacted uber they gave me the details but they said the b121 theory will be in French

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Re: Professional driver, Tachographs & BPT121 (Taxi Licence) rules & regulation minef

Yes, unfortunately true.


You could give your exam in either of the 3 official languages. (German, Italien or French) but not in English.


How come you have a C Permit and don't speak any of the official languages? or do you speak the other two languages other than French.


Your driving license is it from CH or from IND?
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