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Invitation from police

I received an "invitation" to come to the local police station and hope to have a clue of what this about before I go.

As reason it says:

"Grund: Rechtshilfegesuch Kantonspolizei Basel-Stadt, Lenkerermittlung, Ordnungsbusse."

The first part sounds innocent enough, but I am not sure I like the sound of the last part.

Any clue what this is likely to be about, and what I can expect? Someone has reported me for something I should not have done? My mind is blank right now.

Oh, it also states that I have 8 days to show up. Out of interest, is that from receiving the letter or the date of the letter? It is dated 27 Feb, but I only got it today.
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Re: Invitation from police

If you do not show up, they will either come to your workplace or your home and collect you at some point in the future. I think it's always a good idea to show up when the police request you to do so.
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Re: Invitation from police

Well you did something in Basel Stadt, so the Kantonspolizei has to ask their colleagues in your canton to invite and interview you.

Lenkerermittlung means: Find out who drove the car... so I guess you (or a friend in your car) were too fast...

Ordnungsbusse is simply a fine, so no crime which is good (driving way too fast would be a crime)
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If you do not show up, they will either come to your workplace or your home and collect you at some point in the future. I think it's always a good idea to show up when the police request you to do so.
Did you notice the words "...before I go"?
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Old 03.03.2008, 14:54
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Re: Invitation from police

They ask you to identify who was behind the steering wheel when a breach of traffic law happened (your car involved I assume). The police wants to know who they should charge with the fine. It's an Ordnungsbusse, so it must be 250 Fr. or less.
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They ask you to identify who was behind the steering wheel when a breach of traffic law happened (your car involved I assume). The police wants to know who they should charge with the fine. It's an Ordnungsbusse, so it must be 250 Fr. or less.
OK. Depending on the date, it could be someone from the garage as the car was serviced recently.

In case I have to break down and confess (I probably skip the first part), is it likely to do me any good to demonstrate how guilt-ridden I am and promise never to do it again?

Or are the "Ordnungsbüsse" just administrative, ie. look up a table?
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Or are the "Ordnungsbüsse" just administrative, ie. look up a table?
Table...

If you don't tell them who drove they'll fine you (assuming you are the car holder and canton Basel handles this like Zurich).
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Re: Invitation from police

Or someone may have indicated him as the driver of another car maybe?

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Re: Invitation from police

whose parking space have you been sneaking into then ?
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Re: Invitation from police

I know someone who did not pay some bills, got police notices, ignored them, and the police showed up at his door.
I dont know what the bills were for.
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Re: Invitation from police

Went to the police this morning. I had been caught speeding, 31 where 30 was allowed. Only in Switzerland...

It was a "reminder" for a letter I had never seen, funny.

I have paid the CHF 40.- !

And BTW: The 8 days I had to show up is from the date on the letter! Nice when you only get it 5 days later. Why do they send it as B-post?
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Why do they send it as B-post?
Because they can
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Went to the police this morning. I had been caught speeding, 31 where 30 was allowed. Only in Switzerland...

It was a "reminder" for a letter I had never seen, funny.

I have paid the CHF 40.- !

And BTW: The 8 days I had to show up is from the date on the letter! Nice when you only get it 5 days later. Why do they send it as B-post?
You would actually have been over 31KPH. The 31KPH is after deducting speedo error - otherwise the speed you were fined on would be under 30KPH with the deduction.

But it does seem small minded and the 30KPH limit is self defeating if it is to save accidents. In fact it has more to do with raising money. Thalwil voters were given the chance to vote on a 30KPH system in the borough a couple of weeks ago and strongly rejected the proposal.

I think you should have asked nicely why the invitation was sent by B post. I always wonder what happens if you are on 2 or 3 weeks' holiday when such an invite arrives...
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Went to the police this morning. I had been caught speeding, 31 where 30 was allowed. Only in Switzerland...?
Is that 31 once the deductions are taken into account?
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Is that 31 once the deductions are taken into account?
Probably. I have not studied the details of the letter, and I might well have done 35 or even 36.

Anyway, 30 is actually reasonable on that bit of road - parked cars on both sides, and barely room for 2 cars to pass each other. I may have been caught going into the zone, I do not feel unfairly treated.

In Denmark they don't bother writing unless you have been 10 km/h over. And once one the motorway, I was doing 125 (real) where 110 was allowed, I was passed by a plain police car - they waved me to ease off a bit, fair enough.
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Re: Invitation from police

I got caught speeding and they rang my husband up at work. I had to go the station and pay the fine and they had a copy of my license picture blown up to A4 size. I thought they were going to write "Wanted" over it!!

Went in with the 2 rugrats, speaking (bad) German and they were very nice to me, let me pay the fine and gave me some beach balls to boot!! (for the kids obviously!) Couldn't ask for better service (and a smile).

I rather miss it (now in NAmerica!)
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Re: Invitation from police

Anyone who complains about the "naziness" of Swiss police should try its Mexican counterpart. (I'm just saying, I'm not actually accusing anyone of complaining before anyone gets ballistic).

Not only do they give you a parking fine - they will also unscrew one of your license plates and take it to headquarters - which is always located somewhere on the outskirts, at the end of a potholed earth road. Finding said headquarters, paying the fine and getting the plate back is worthy of an Indiana Jones sequel.

That is when they don't randomly stop you saying "You were speeding, and the fine is 95 USD. Unfortunately I have no fine slips with me *wink* so I'll have to retain your driver's license and you can come back tomorrow morning at headquarters to pay the fine and get it back *wink*."
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Re: Invitation from police

I think the Swiss system of speeding fines is fair, despite being the recipient of four.
Much worse in Thailand where corruption is the name of the game and you have to pay to get your licence back. Who is going to argue with Sgt. Somchai who not only has a gun but a bottle of whisky too.
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I think you should have asked nicely why the invitation was sent by B post. I always wonder what happens if you are on 2 or 3 weeks' holiday when such an invite arrives...
Just on this subject, I received a letter from the Migrationsamt dated 22nd January which arrived B post on 31st January. None of the enclosures mentioned in the letter were in the envelope so I called them to ask them to send them along.

I wouldn't have minded but they simply reprinted the letter (still with date 22nd January), again sent it B post so it arrived 11th Feb. This gave me until 22nd Feb to get my Strafregister turned around and sent back to them. Unfortunately, according to their website, there was a 10 day delay for current applications for the Strafregister.

I think I am just surprised because I was expecting the Swiss "civil service" to run like the rest of the country, i.e. like clockwork, and now I'm a bit disappointed to find that it's just like the UK. The people you talk to on the phone even sound of the same attitude as their UK counterparts - can't be bothered and that you are just a nuisance. Maybe there is one central, global training school for employees of the state. Spooky.
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I think the Swiss system of speeding fines is fair, despite being the recipient of four.
Much worse in Thailand where corruption is the name of the game and you have to pay to get your licence back. Who is going to argue with Sgt. Somchai who not only has a gun but a bottle of whisky too.
In Zambia failing to stop at a stop sign was an arrestable offence. My housemate fell foul of this. Although he was sure he had come to a full stop he wasn't going to argue with the policewoman. "No transport Sir. Can we go to the station in your car?". When he arrived there he was shown a cage that he was supposed to go in until the next day's court session. Obviously he didn't want to do that, so he pleaded guilty and paid the fine. "No change Sir, can you come back tomorrow for it?". He didn't go back for his change
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