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it could that I haven't mown the lawn since April/May breaking the de rigeur rule of mowing at least once a week whether it needs it or not.
Around here it's three times/year.

Perhaps you should move.

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Re: "Parking" dispute - what happens next?

Well, I was a bit lax last year and only managed to do it twice. I was going to do it the other week before the thunderstorms came, but didn't and of course, we haven't had enough dry days since to allow it to dry enough to be cut. Just chucked it down again about 10 minutes ago so it's all soaked through again.
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Old 07.08.2014, 10:31
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Re: "Parking" dispute - what happens next?

Just received the Tribunal judgement this morning and the judge has found in our favour. I sincerely hope that's the end of the matter.
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Old 07.08.2014, 13:48
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Re: "Parking" dispute - what happens next?

Thanks rob1. Just hope it's over now and we can try and have some sort of reasonable relationship with them. We'll try and keep off the property as much as we can and have noticed them struggling to manoeuvre their vehicles without crossing onto ours lately so maybe they're beginning to realise it works both ways.

Would still like to know what "confidential info" he thought he had on us, but unfortunately it seems he objected to it being passed on because we haven't seen a copy of what he sent. He did send yet another letter to the Tribunal, pointing out he's not responsible for where any potential tenants of his flat park (um, if someone was coming to see me I'd tell them whether or not they could park on my neighbour's property), pointing out that the previous owner of our house scrupulously (his word) respected his property boundary, etc. It seems to have arrived with the Tribunal after they made their decision, but they've sent us a copy anyway.

With any luck I can file all this away and not have to dig it out again in a few months.
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Would still like to know what "confidential info" he thought he had on us, but unfortunately it seems he objected to it being passed on because we haven't seen a copy of what he sent.
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Old 07.08.2014, 14:22
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Thanks rob1. Just hope it's over now and we can try and have some sort of reasonable relationship with them. We'll try and keep off the property as much as we can and have noticed them struggling to manoeuvre their vehicles without crossing onto ours lately so maybe they're beginning to realise it works both ways.

Would still like to know what "confidential info" he thought he had on us, but unfortunately it seems he objected to it being passed on because we haven't seen a copy of what he sent. He did send yet another letter to the Tribunal, pointing out he's not responsible for where any potential tenants of his flat park (um, if someone was coming to see me I'd tell them whether or not they could park on my neighbour's property), pointing out that the previous owner of our house scrupulously (his word) respected his property boundary, etc. It seems to have arrived with the Tribunal after they made their decision, but they've sent us a copy anyway.

With any luck I can file all this away and not have to dig it out again in a few months.
I suspect the confidential info that could not be passed on was a total fabrication, the court would have ignored it as you have a right to defend any accusations. People can behave very badly here, I have seen something like this more than once.
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I suspect the confidential info that could not be passed on was a total fabrication, the court would have ignored it as you have a right to defend any accusations. People can behave very badly here, I have seen something like this more than once.
Yes, that's what the OH suspects. Still it would have been interesting/funny to read.
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Yes, that's what the OH suspects. Still it would have been interesting/funny to read.
I suspect it would not be very funny at all, probably very serious allegations.
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Old 07.08.2014, 15:27
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Just received the Tribunal judgement this morning and the judge has found in our favour. I sincerely hope that's the end of the matter.
Thanks for the update. Would you mind giving more details about what happened , what evidence was presented and on what basis it was decided in your favour? Thanks.
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Had a bit of a surprise last Thursday evening as a policeman came knocking at our door. Evidently our neighbour behind us has made some compliants that we keep using his parking spaces. He runs a painting business from his property and the spaces are for that, although they're rarely used.
Excuse me, are you not aware that this is a country where everyone tells the truth? As such you must be wrong and thereby not even live here!
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Thanks for the update. Would you mind giving more details about what happened , what evidence was presented and on what basis it was decided in your favour? Thanks.
I probably can't give you the full gist yet as it's 6 pages of French which I need to translate to understand properly. There's quite a few laws and codes quoted.

Basically he accused us of parking on his property which we don't do. Because the two properties are so close and he runs a business from his he has a couple of yellow parking spaces plus an area around those which is also marked in yellow which is his boundary line. If we park sideways on to our garage we have to cross the yellow area markings, but that's all we do. The neighbour initially sent it to the lower court who sent out the police to investigate. They interviewed us and somehow got the impression that we had vehicle as well as foot access to the neighbour's property. The lower court found in our favour. He disputed that at the Tribunal court as the info the police provided was wrong, we only have foot access and told them this at the time. This time he also provided a couple of photos of our alleged parking offences which he hadn't provided to the lower court. We had to respond to his allegations, which we did showing how awkward it is for us to avoid crossing said lines, providing several pictures of how we park and manouevre. We also sent several pics showing people who come to visit him parking in front of our garage, even though the spaces on his property are empty. He sent a subsequent letter to the Tribunal saying he had confidential info, but didn't want it to be passed on to us. The Tribunal replied to him stating that all correspondence had to be shared between the parties unless he objected to the Tribunal passing it on to us in which case the info would be set aside. We never got a copy so he must have objected. We got the Tribunal decision today stating that the complaint is rejected and he has to pay costs to the Tribunal.

I'll try and give more on the background to their decision tomorrow once I've done the translation. At the moment, I've no way of scanning it to make a document to put into my translation package so I'm going to have to type it all in by hand.
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Old 07.08.2014, 17:09
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Re: "Parking" dispute - what happens next?

He can appeal I assume. Being a dick he probably will.
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Maybe I missed it but did the guy ever come and speak with you directly before going to the cops etc ?
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He can appeal I assume. Being a dick he probably will.
I assume he can as well. I'm just hoping that it's cost him enough money that he'll let it go. We know he's also taken a previous tenant to court, presumably over parking in the spaces when he shouldn't have as well.

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Maybe I missed it but did the guy ever come and speak with you directly before going to the cops etc ?
No. We did get a fine from parking over the lines back when we moved in in 2011 - which wasn't actually what we thought the fine was for. We did park in one of the spaces for a couple of minutes when I dropped something off at the house before we went out. But we paid that as we realised we'd done wrong. There's been nothing since until the policeman showed up on our doorstep. Even the two incidents that he sent pics of didn't generate any fines, which if we'd actually been parked I would have expected. After the police visit the next we knew was the letter from the Tribunal court enclosing his allegations and saying we had 10 days to respond to them.
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Re: "Parking" dispute - what happens next?

Oh dear but again im not surprised at all.
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Re: "Parking" dispute - what happens next?

The problem is it's not very expensive to go to court in CH, unlike in the UK. It's a sport for many as it's often free,
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Re: "Parking" dispute - what happens next?

Maybe the neighbour will post a bunch of garden gnomes holdings signs saying "defence de passer-amend d'order" on the property line.
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The problem is it's not very expensive to go to court in CH, unlike in the UK. It's a sport for many as it's often free,
No, but he has additional costs I assume from the company that organises any fines and has done these letters on his behalf. It's their name on the mise a ban notice. I also assume he had costs to pay to the lower court when they ruled against him initially.

In his latest missive to the Tribunal it states that only company vehicles and directors' vehicles are allowed to park in those spaces which explains why his visitors keep ending up in front of our garage. What is annoying about it though is that it's not a busy place, business wise. If there were vehicles coming and going all the time I could understand it, but most of the time not even his own vehicles use them. I'd love to know how he persuaded a justice of the peace to give him the mise a ban in the first place because I can't see that there's enough activity or problems to warrant it.
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Hope you have a sign on your garage door saying no parking in front etc for xxx customers.
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