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You can get something that is perfect for you and the Missus (or the future missus) that will be environmentally friendly and will serve you well (give or take) 350 days per year:
http://www.englishforum.ch/sale-want...tml#post219802
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I also like the fact that I could load up the car with as much as I wanted..
Not if you want any of it to be there when you pick it up.

Check out www.autoscout24.ch for cars, do not worry about rust, they do not use salt and it barely ever snows.
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Re: Buying new car from US? (now that $=Franc)

Ratbert, not sure where you are getting your data...show me a proof of where you are getting your info from? Unless rules vary between Landern I think you are mistaken. My info is based on Hamburg and their Verkehrsamt. Kurzkennzeichen are for 5 days and they also need a insurance to be provided by insurance company. The only exception to the rule applies to US troops stationed in Germany but they also have special status. they can drive using US plates. Believe me I looked into it as I have (still just one) a nice customized Route 66 themed plate from Illinois which I was hoping to show off

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I have a related question that yet is different to where this thread has been heading. About two years ago I bought a Mazda 6 in the US on credit. I have about 3 years left on the payments but at this moment I am no longer in the US and my mom is driving the car and paying it off. I am considering sending the car here for the 1-2 years I will be here. I had a quote that would ship the car from NY to France (Le Havre) for about 1100 US dollars. If I decide to go back to the US once my time here is done, I may ship the car back with me. I was wondering if anyone knew what the deal is with the insurance and car payment. Although the car title is in my name, I have it on a loan and I guess the bank technically owns it. Would I be legally allowed to take the car out. (while still making the payments from abroad). Also, would I need to get car insurance from the Swiss before I pick up the car in France?

In order for you to be able to ship the car abroad, you will need to fill out a form called FS113 (might be a slightly different number), which is a form to 'remove the vehicle from the country," and tell the local DMV that the car will not be driven within the state/country it is registered in. AND, in order to do that, you need to be the owner of the car. Otherwise, they will not authorize this form for you, with the financial institution still showing as the owner. And as probably most of us know, according to the terms of an auto loan or a car lease, the car is collateralized (is this the right spelling?) against your loan and therefore cannot leave the States. If you check you agreement, I'm sure this is clearly indicated.

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In order for you to be able to ship the car abroad, you will need to fill out a form called FS113 (might be a slightly different number), which is a form to 'remove the vehicle from the country," and tell the local DMV that the car will not be driven within the state/country it is registered in. AND, in order to do that, you need to be the owner of the car. Otherwise, they will not authorize this form for you, with the financial institution still showing as the owner. And as probably most of us know, according to the terms of an auto loan or a car lease, the car is collateralized (is this the right spelling?) against your loan and therefore cannot leave the States. If you check you agreement, I'm sure this is clearly indicated.

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Go back and read my post - you are agreeing with me. But that has nothing to do with him not needing those plates and not needing to go to the licensing bureau for x months (sorry, I don't know if it is 6 or 12 or 27.2). And regardless, you and I are talking about Germany. My experience comes form living in that stupid country for five years, importing half a dozen vehicles, registering them after driving most of them with foreign plates, driving to the TUV to have them inspected whilst they were wearing their foreign plates, and being stopped by the police numerous times, usually to ask about said foreign plates.

You should also know that bureaucrats in Germany love to give conflicting, wrong, and misleading answers. You should ask again. Try a Friday afternoon in July.
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Go back and read my post - you are agreeing with me. But that has nothing to do with him not needing those plates and not needing to go to the licensing bureau for x months (sorry, I don't know if it is 6 or 12 or 27.2). And regardless, you and I are talking about Germany. My experience comes form living in that stupid country for five years, importing half a dozen vehicles, registering them after driving most of them with foreign plates, driving to the TUV to have them inspected whilst they were wearing their foreign plates, and being stopped by the police numerous times, usually to ask about said foreign plates.

You should also know that bureaucrats in Germany love to give conflicting, wrong, and misleading answers. You should ask again. Try a Friday afternoon in July.
OK...respect the experience...defnitely not an as well aware as you...and you are right about the bureaucrats there......wish I knew you 3 months ago...oh well what is done is done...now tell me please: can I insure the car with CH insurance company while driving on German plates?
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I would guess not. I am back and forth from Munich to Zurich and am still driving on my D plates. I have not go t my car checked out yet as I suspect the Swiss will find some issues even though it has a new TUV. My German insurance covers me here so I have not thought about CH coverage.
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Hi,
.... I can see huge costs involved. You mention headlights; do you know what the headlights on these cars consist of? I reckon you might be up for 5 grand just to change these. ....
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PS: Many people have ignored the advice I have given li.
I would not even try to dispute your knoweledge and expretise but it seems some of your statment are over the top. for 5 grand you can buy 5 pairs of new boxter headlights with about 5 min to change them (just follow the manual).
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Re: Buying new car from US? (now that $=Franc)

Looks like there more people that did not read about Porshe and are able to import and register it .. isn't that strange that without knowing things work better ?

http://www.brueniger-automobile.com/

article on US import (in German)

http://www.automobilrevue.ch/artikel_23065.html

good luck - my car just arrived and my good friend is shipping cobra this week.

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Can you give me an example please? I ask this as I have only driven and am familiar with car buying in America. Ive noticed that Japaneese cars which are held in such a high regard by us are not as popular here. Is it just pride or do European cars actually outperform japaneese cars in reliability. What is an example of something I can get in that price range.

Also when buying a car is there a big concern about rust, especially in Switzerland because of the snow?
Japanese cars are held in hight regard in Europe too. The JD power survey is the best guide I'm aware of (rating are from owners and rate dealerships etc).

My sweeping generalisation on cars (as a Brit and excluding super cars) is that:
  • Anything Japanese is generally going to be reliable and not vastly expensive.
  • Anything German is going to be reliable and stylish but expensive.
  • Anything Italian is going to be stylish but less reliable and badly assembled, but cheaper than rivals.
  • Anything French will be slightly less stylish but better made than the Italian counterparts.
  • Ford and Vauxhall (GM) are pretty boring, pretty reliable and pretty cheap.
  • Anything British or American (excluding GM/Ford) will be badly assembled beyond what you think is possible, cheap, devoid of any style and unreliable. Avoid.

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Re: Testing a Car (MFK)

maybe this is helpful though it is different car
http://www.renntech.org/forums/index...howtopic=17964
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Re: Buying new car from US? (now that $=Franc)

and more DYI imprort admitedly into another country. so dont know how strick swiss are but still take a look
http://www.renntech.org/forums/index...port+dashboard
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Japanese cars are held in hight regard in Europe too. The JD power survey is the best guide I'm aware of (rating are from owners and rate dealerships etc).

My sweeping generalisation on cars (as a Brit and excluding super cars) is that:
  • Anything Japanese is generally going to be reliable and not vastly expensive.
  • Anything German is going to be reliable and stylish but expensive.
  • Anything Italian is going to be stylish but less reliable and badly assembled, but cheaper than rivals.
  • Anything French will be slightly less stylish but better made than the Italian counterparts.
  • Ford and Vauxhall (GM) are pretty boring, pretty reliable and pretty cheap.
  • Anything British or American (excluding GM/Ford) will be badly assembled beyond what you think is possible, cheap, devoid of any style and unreliable. Avoid.
I have often wondered about the differences by manufacturer on either side of the pond. The Consumers Union (non-profit org.) in the US keeps long-term and detailed records about car reliability, safety, etc. etc. etc. Their reviews seem to give no points for styling, but do comment on the "fun" factor. Most weight is to reliability and practical considerations, so you have to take it with a grain of salt. However, the American manufacturers as a whole surpassed the Europeans some time ago. Keep in mind, French and Italian cars are not generally available in the US. Audi and Mercedes in the US have had abysmal repair records, with many problems in the first five years. VW is not much better. BMW is pretty good. The American cars are more variable by model, but some are very high in quality in this regard. I'm not defending the American cars (I drove an old Saab in the US), but I am interested that the perception here is so different. I love a nice car, but hate going to the garage. Does any org. in Europe track repairs and reliability?
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Re: Buying new car from US? (now that $=Franc)

I would like to add something to the debate, on my recent import experience:

I successfully imported an L200 Animal, I had the car insured, complience tested without much hassle, the whole nine yards...everything was peachy....right up until I had a front wheel blow out! I basically turned over a couple of times, dented every panel, bent the chassis, and ripped out a large chunk of the running gear.

That's when the entire import thing goes to s**t, the insurance co' sent 2 experts to view the car, at 2 different garages 75 km's apart, because it was an import, so that sent the alarm bells ringing. Then they came up with 'we cannot get some of these parts in here', 'this specification was not available in this country', the net result after 5 months was they 'revised' the settlement, by giving me 20% less than a non-import car of the lowest spec sold here....Done like a kipper, any purchase savings completely wiped out, and I was unable to buy a replacement car for the value given.

So the moral of this story is simple, you may save on the purchase cost, you may find making it compliant is staightfoward, but, pray to god you never have an accident....as the ar***hole reaming fairy will be waiting!
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I would like to add something to the debate, on my recent import experience:

I successfully imported an L200 Animal, I had the car insured, complience tested without much hassle, the whole nine yards...everything was peachy....right up until I had a front wheel blow out! I basically turned over a couple of times, dented every panel, bent the chassis, and ripped out a large chunk of the running gear.

That's when the entire import thing goes to s**t, the insurance co' sent 2 experts to view the car, at 2 different garages 75 km's apart, because it was an import, so that sent the alarm bells ringing. Then they came up with 'we cannot get some of these parts in here', 'this specification was not available in this country', the net result after 5 months was they 'revised' the settlement, by giving me 20% less than a non-import car of the lowest spec sold here....Done like a kipper, any purchase savings completely wiped out, and I was unable to buy a replacement car for the value given.

So the moral of this story is simple, you may save on the purchase cost, you may find making it compliant is staightfoward, but, pray to god you never have an accident....as the ar***hole reaming fairy will be waiting!
Sadly, there are *still* people here who will insist on importing...
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Sadly, there are *still* people here who will insist on importing...
Depending on the car, a 50% premium on the price makes you think, doesn't it, though? Why are cars so much more here? I have to assume it is taxation policy, because there can be no logical explanation a car built in Germany, shipped to the US, shipped back, and modified is still significantly cheaper in purchase cost! Is the profit per vehicle also significantly higher for the manufacturer here? I have to think it is.

For German cars, are the parts really so different beyond what you have to replace anyway? Does anyone know?

On a side note, there is a car called an "animal"? I am having so much fun trying to picture it, I won't even google to find out what it really looks like.
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Re: Buying new car from US? (now that $=Franc)

Yes its a Mitusbish pick-up, and you'd have to ask manufacturers and gov's why they are different, just take it they are. Any saving on purchase cost WILL get hammered on service and repair, erroded by potential import cost and hassles, and thats before you start on a pig in a poke resale value, or export hassle when you find your prode and joy is worth next to bugger all. Unless your grey trading, in the long run it's just too much grief....be happy pay the price and buy local.... local garages will compromise if they think they will lose a sale.
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Depending on the car, a 50% premium on the price makes you think, doesn't it, though? Why are cars so much more here? I have to assume it is taxation policy, because there can be no logical explanation a car built in Germany, shipped to the US, shipped back, and modified is still significantly cheaper in purchase cost! Is the profit per vehicle also significantly higher for the manufacturer here? I have to think it is.

For German cars, are the parts really so different beyond what you have to replace anyway? Does anyone know?

On a side note, there is a car called an "animal"? I am having so much fun trying to picture it, I won't even google to find out what it really looks like.
Cars in the US are not the same specification: the base prices in the US are cheaper with little kit.

US, less efficient engines: http://climatenews.blogspot.com/2005...vs-europe.html

Forum debate: http://www.soft-news.net/forum/Ameri...Cars-t666.html

Us people saying the US market gets the crap end: http://www.descolada.com/2007/09/11/...el-conspiracy/

etc etc etc

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Re: Buying new car from US? (now that $=Franc)

My experience of running an import, getting in turning the key etc. There was no difference, I loved my truck, and was happy to take her with me. However, many other gems were waiting like:
Servicing, I never got to have it serviced, but the dealer was very non-comittal on cost as it was an import.
My warranty was invalid after conversion work, as it made the car non-standard in the country of purchase.
Insurance cost me more for an import, then f*****d me on the settlement.
Import re-sales are a always cheap for a reason, potentially iffy history etc.

All of which take lumps out of the initial saving. My experience was that the devil is in the detail, not just a few forms and new headlights. Whilst the techy stuff provided by a previous poster was very informative, albeit a little preachy, his point was absolutely valid.

To further illustrate my very sad point, a new bumper assembly for my pick up had to be imported (more hassle) which made it 3.25 times more expensive, and added to the wait time for the car. Which has to beg the question, how many other price hits like that would make a small shunt repairable in the home country, written off here on cost grounds?

In the long run it's swings and round-a-bouts, me I've learned, and will only buy a home grown car in future. If you already have the car, it does change things, but if your looking to buy new think past initial purchse savings. It may just save you time and money later.
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