Does anyone know if you're allowed to take propane cylinders on trams?

Logic says probably not, but these things are heavy and vendors tend to be in the middle of nowhere (well, in the middle of OBI), so I can't imagine the average hausfrau lugging them on a cross-city hike.

Failing that, are taxi drivers likely to object?

Just sneak it on at the back of the tram, but they probably are prohibited. You can only be thrown off the tram, or in the worst case incinerated.

It could posse a problem when the tram reaches high altitude, like 8`000 Meter. But then again it won`t ignite for lack of oxygen

Should be o.k. (I would do it)

Only Pianos in the S-Bahn, or on a Lancia are not o.k.

PS: Propane is avialable at most gas stations.

Shouldn't be a problem.
Just don't do it in the rush-hour.

How many did you want to transport at once?
A single one (even if it's big) is probably OK, but once the tram starts filling up with them, it might raise some eyebrows....

Let's put it this way: would you be happy sitting in a tram with a propane gas bottle standing next to you, your wife, and your children?


Being sneaky about it is also being irresponsible.

Actually, yes. In exactly the same way I'd be happy in a cafe where they're using propane. Why? Wouldn't you?

If I were being sneaky or irresponsible, I wouldn't have asked the question.

a propane tank, used and transported properly, is completely safe. A propane tank, used and transported improperly is usually completely safe.


source: I worked in an Esso garage and used to sell them.

As so often the case on EF and other expat Forums- best to go straight to the horses-mouth really- why not ask the tram company?

There is, quite naturally in view of events in past few years, although not so much in Switzerland- great suspicion and fear about anything unusual on public transport (especially for those of us who escaped Kingscross disaster)- and although your logic as above is quite correct, perhaps not the way some people, perhaps expats, on same tram, would perceive the situation and panic + call police. People are suspicious of someone with a large backpack- so I guess a gas cylinder would upset them a bit more.

I regularly transport them in a car, which is certainly less safe than a tram!

Tom

Indeed and I was going to put: wrap the tank in an opaque plastic bag, especially one of those tough ikea bags, so as not to concern others.

Ok, I've looked a bit more, and if I understand this page properly, it's not allowed to transport gas cylinders in any enclosed vehicle except a ventilated van, and the vehicle must have a proper frame.

Walking it is, then.

http://www.vitogaz.ch/gas-flaschen/s...ngas/index.htm

Yes, I wouldn't mind myself. If these things weren't fairly safe, they wouldn't be transported in trucks either.

As long as the person isn't using it as a drum or letting it fall I wouldn't feel nervous about it.

Are you worried about asphyxiation or explosion, Busby?

Disclaimer: I have no children. But I don't think this would change my answer.

Just get them delivered.

http://mauchle-shop.ch/Lieferdienst/Propangas/

Society doesn't run like that though, does it? You can't make rules based on the paranoid (unless you're in aviation), otherwise there'd be no public transport (or private transport) at all.

I can imagine there are people (especially expats; mustn't upset them) who aren't comfortable travelling on a train with a bunch of rifle toting youths drinking beer, but it's a pretty common sight.

I'd get them delivered rather than walk with a cart for kilometers.

I've never met someone this paranoid. With all the backpackers there are on trains, it's really hard to be suspicious.

Well it's coming in the car tomorrow so tough!

[QUOTE=BaselPT;2151192] If these things weren't fairly safe, they wouldn't be transported in trucks either.

Are you worried about asphyxiation or explosion, Busby?

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You see - you say yourself now how the rules are, but 'fairly safe' isn't enough for me, endangering the lives of other people is a crime. Atom Power Sations are, as we know, and as the experts tell us, 'safe'.


Fortunately we now have the dangers defined by mirfield who has decided not to take his bottle in a tram.


Thanks.

Ok, that sufficiently answers my question
Nuclear power stations: the experts are right, by the way.
Earthquakes aren't safe, and building things in the wrong place or not maintaining them isn't safe, which is a different matter.

About the paranoid and the lack of common sense of flight rules:
some people actually complained when TSA considers allowing pocket knives...

http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2013...ves-on-planes/

Never mind that you can be stabbed on the street, where pocket knives are obviously allowed and there is a higher risk of it happening.

The thing is, being randomly stabbed on a plane is apparently specially scary for some people (although anyone randomly stabbing someone on a plane is SURE to get arrested - not so on the street). Maybe it's the lack of easy access to a hospital? Don't ask me :P

Note that you can't coerce the pilots with pocket knives because you can't get near them now that cabin doors are closed, and also that there are far more dangerous things that can be used as better weapons than tiny pockets knives.
The only special rules for airplanes should be for things that can actually bring the entire plane down. Anything that would only kill some random persons inside is in my opinion stupid to forbid if it is allowed outside the plane.

You are economisto and ICMFP.