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Using the Swiss Public Transport

I have been reading how everybody is desperate to prevent speeding fines and is worried about drunk drivers so I have to say who here actually uses the public transport system.

Now I am not a great fan of public transport but I must say that I have never in all my travellings come across anything more reliable and better than the Swiss system (built by the British...) and to boot you do not always have to pay because the guys who check your tickets appear about as often as the unmarked highway patrol...

So do you use the Swiss public network and if you do is it not the best?

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Old 27.01.2006, 17:48
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

haha Mr Schwarzfahrer I bet you pay!

It is frankly pretty good but I was upset that my train this morning was 5 minutes late
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Old 27.01.2006, 18:38
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

Yes the standard of Swiss public transport is generally good (for many, but not all). People living in the center of Zurich naturally get a different view of it than those living in areas not well serviced by public transport.

Personally, I don't use it that often. Why? It's too expensive. There is an excellent bus service which runs right near my house into Bellevue. The journey takes 11 minutes and the buses run every 15 minutes during slow times, and 7 minutes during busy times. The drivers are usually friendly, and it isn't crowded. A pregnant woman will still have to stand while people refuse to offer their seats, but that seems to be standard behaviour so I won't dwell on it (see the other thread "Public transport with a buggy")

But this bus trip will cost me CHF 10.80 for a return ticket. I can do the same journey in 5 minutes with the car. Like today - I had to go to Bellevue for about 15 minutes. It cost me CHF1 for the parking meter, and how much for the diesel? Not much. Why would I choose the bus over the car in a case like this?

Now let's consider that my girlfriend and I both go to town to watch a film. Should we take the bus and wait around in the cold for the bus? Even paying at the parkhaus works out less than the CHF21.60 it would cost for our bus tickets!

No doubt I'll get slaughtered as some sort of destroyer of the environment - but I'd gladly switch to public transport if it were cheaper. And since we are on the subject of environment, why are so many Swiss buses running on diesel without appropriate filters etc? Recent reports have indicated that air in many Swiss cities is well above the level considered dangerous. Many other countries switched their buses to natural gas a long time ago. Yes, I know there are a couple of buses here that run on natural gas, I'm talking about the entire fleet, and 10 years ago. Why is it allowed to burn so much wood (also a big source of pollution) in the home. Anyway, I'd best not get started on the environment
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

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and to boot you do not always have to pay because the guys who check your tickets appear about as often as the unmarked highway patrol...
I used to do that until they increased the fine, and made it go up each time and put in more inspectors. For example on the airport train you almost always get done.

Last time I was done I had to rush for the train or get the next one (30 minutes later). I tried to buy a ticket on the platform, but there is no ticket machine at all on the platform, you have to go upstairs and come back down, and there was just no time so I decided to risk it and got caught. I complained to the inspector that there was no ticket machine on the platform. He insisted that there WAS a ticket machine and "if you can't find it, then that's your problem" (exact quote).

Last week I was back there and walked the entire length of the platform. There was no ticket machine. Probably makes more money to fine people on that route than to put a machine on the platform...
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

I cannot agree about the prices but I guess it depends where you live. What I know is from where I am which is bang in the middle between Zurich and Basel I need to pay CHF64 for a monthly ticket travel as much as I want to BAsel and in the BAsel area and back. To get a return to Zürich costs me CHF38 for one ticket though... HAve not quite got my head around that one yet... But there is also a similar system in Zurich where for not much more than a few days of returns you can get a monthly pass and by a few days I mean 4 or 5...
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

Swiss public transport is the most efficient I have encountered - Even compared to first world countries like Sweden, where I spent a few years. The connections between cities and in cities is timed to, well, Swiss timing perfection and along with resources like sbb.ch there is no excuse for missing a link or waiting on a platform somewhere for 45 minutes (in my experience this far). On top of that there are deals like the halb tax abo (half price on all travel tickets) and the gleis 7 deal (free travel after 7pm, restricted to age I think - the missus has one) that make it more than affordable (there are many more special deals worth taking advantage of). I travel a lot, from ZH to Basel, Geneva etc. I don't have to maintain the upkeep of a car, pay for parking, fines, insurance, road-rage etc. A car would be nice to get out for short travels at weekends, but the frequency with which that might occur could be compensated for by hiring a car. We'll not get into the environment (Mark the eternal peace keeper!) - amazing how we can justify just about anything to ourselves.

Regarding winging it on trains and hoping not to get fined, it's almost unbelievable! To quote my old friend Hunter S. Thomson - 'You pay the ticket, you take the ride' a corollary of that might be 'You don't pay the ticket, you pay the fine'

As a newbie I have noticed that a lot operates on trust, they trust that you'll do the job you've been hired to do, they don't get all american/british on you in management style and babysit you, they trust you'll buy a ticket if you use the public transport. If you get nicked you can't complain, there's no argument there. As for unsympathetic controllers, what do you expect? You can't expect any preferential treatment.

Public transport is also clean and a pleasure to use, just look at the UK's idea of a 1st class carriage, it's a joke. A train from London to Manchester could take hours, crawling along and stopping while you suffer it out in a non aircon, stinking packed train, and when a leaf falls on the tracks a SWAT team has to be deployed to remove it... this place works, it's civilized.
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

I pay 6 francs something with Halbtax Abo to come from south of Pfäffikon every day (each way). That ain't bad in my book......

And it's been late ONCE this year. Tut tut.....

Can't wait for just a couple of degrees more warmth and then be out on the Rockster under my own steam again
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

And it was probably only late because it was minus 20 or after a heavy snowfall and not because a leaf had been rumoured to by on the track somewhere in the Kanton Zurich...

Sad really you know the British built and managed the Swiss railway network in the early days...
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

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Sad really you know the British built and managed the Swiss railway network in the early days...
I've seen it, seriously... even for a piece of polystyrene. Maybe it says something about the British sense of maintenance. Look at the quality of workmanship here, walls are straight, floors are level and flush, doubleglazing, taps that immediately spurt hot water (and the one tap thing, not like our favorit two tap system, what's that about?), flat top stoves. In the UK you gotta fork out an arm and a leg as collateral on a mortage to buy a broken down dump. Depresses me, I've gone off the point.
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I've seen it, seriously... even for a piece of polystyrene. Maybe it says something about the British sense of maintenance. Look at the quality of workmanship here, walls are straight, floors are level and flush, doubleglazing, taps that immediately spurt hot water (and the one tap thing, not like our favorit two tap system, what's that about?), flat top stoves. In the UK you gotta fork out an arm and a leg as collateral on a mortage to buy a broken down dump. Depresses me, I've gone off the point.
you should try building a house and come back afterwards

walls not straight and not in the right place, floors that need to be levelled etc.....work often not done to your expected standard....

reminds me that I have to chase up my architect!
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

Maybe it's just the corporate 'Home and Garden' style aparment that i've been given...
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

Believe me and Mr Rockster that walls are not always straight, buildings not always perfect and gardens often left a mess. No living in nice wealthy parts of Switzerland gives you a false impression like living in Wilmslow and saying Manchester is great...

And as for the trains I was once stood 20 minutes just outside Frankfurt on one of their international ICEs and they announced in perfect English sorry for the delay but we are looking for a platform...

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Well actually I'm glad that "Lob" jumped in here with that one. I was not looking forward to being the only contrarian to oppose the usual land of milk and honey stuff. I used to be impressed with my apartment, thinking that it was supposed to last 1000 years. Then cracks started appearing all around the tops of the walls on the top floor. I called the managing agents, they looked at it and said it was just shoddy workmanship - they said it happens all the time. There was nothing that could be done, so I didn't have to pay for anything. Then part of the plastering collapsed on the roof - the roof in the bedroom has to be redone. Then I noticed bubbling on the paint on the bedroom wall - the wall was damp - leaking through from the bathroom. Investigated, the silicon seal around the bath had given up, which was causing the water to leak through. Had that redone. After the workman went home my girlfriend asked "Did he fill the bath with water before he did the seal?" I sheepishly had to reply that he did not. Apparently that's something they never do, and results in the seal being overly stressed each time someone takes a bath - result it gives out sooner than it should. Damn! But I'll know for next time. Then there was the roof covered in mould (bathroom) to the point where the entire roof was black. Apparently there is supposed to be a mould retarding undercoat used, but there wasn't. So we had it repainted.

Since you mentioned a cooker - we discovered that our plates were warped and weren't cooking properly. But they replaced it, so that wasn't a drama.

Turns out that I have to pay the bill for all this work (even though it isn't my fault) up to 1% of my yearly rent, not the end of the world, but a little irritating. More irritating is that when Swiss painters paint things they refuse to touch your furniture, so I'll have to remove all the furniture from my bedroom (not an easy task!!) before they will start work..

Oh, and I do live in a rich area of Switzerland... Seems that shoddy workmanship happens everywhere. Even in Japan where things are generally done properly it turns out many of the buildings certified to be earthquake proof aren't!

Oh and I should also mention that the S6 running through Zollikon seems to be 5-10 minutes late appoximately 10% of the time, and almost always when I have a tight connection or a plane to catch! I guess I should apologise as people heap abuse on my head telling me that Swiss trains are always on time. I wish it were true too... Still they are far more punctual than other countries I've lived in.
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

Funny things you mention there Mark.
Despite the fact you pay top rent you can get a bill for poor work. Amazing really and I guess that the problem was that the architect used genuine Swiss labour instead of importing the best out of Italy or Germany etc like the others in the not so well off parts of CH do... And as for your furntiure I suppose they are scared to mark or let paint drop on the "expensive" Ikea pieces you have...

I guess the S6 is the only slow running train to Zurich as all the others are punctual. Funny thing though whenever I have a tight connection I miss the train as it left early... Btw Japan is reputed to have the most punctual trains in the world. If you are late three times you are sacked. The result is they have one of the highest accident ratios behind India as the trains leave without the doors being fully shut...
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

I've been in Zurich for a month now and I absolutely love it. I buy the monthly card/pass and travel at my convenience.

I grew up in NYC which has a relatively decent public transportation network but the coverage/convenience (in Zurich) is fantastic. Even if a tram is late, there is another one in 5 minutes!

I love the fact that I can get down to the bar and back without even thinking of a car.
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Re: Using the Swiss Public Transport

I find Swiss public transportation overall quite good and reliable. It has it's shortcomings for me only because I happen to live in a small town near the airport and have to take a bus first to reach the nearest S-Bahn station. The bus only runs every hour on the hour and only until 8pm during the week, 5pm on Saturdays and not at all on Sundays which means I either have to walk 10 minutes to the closest S-Bahn station or drive my car. Nonetheless, when given the choice, I prefer to take public transportation into town instead of driving and dealing with traffic. But, if I have to travel to other small towns around me, I do prefer to drive as taking public transportation would take to long to get to my destination.

As far as the price, I don't find it to be overtly high. Compared to what it costs me to maintain my car every month (car payments, car insurance payments, gasoline and regular maintenance) it is a bargain.

Plus if I want to go out and have a drink with friends I don't have to worry about drinking and driving.
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