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Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

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I'm going to see this car

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It is a private sale so no warranty on it but it is located in Lausanne. Is the price about right or it is suspicious?

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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

Does it matter what we think? If you like it, and think it is worth seeing, go and look at it.

Have you researched the model on the internet?
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

210k clicks, no mfk....
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

You need to really look at the service record in the book. It does have a lot of Km's and your going to be starting right where problems start happening. Nice car but expensive for repairs and parts.
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Does it matter what we think? If you like it, and think it is worth seeing, go and look at it.

Have you researched the model on the internet?
Of course it does matter :> I still haven't bought one

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210k clicks, no mfk....
That I will ask about
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

As a general opinion you seem to try to save money by buying large and (originally) expensive cars that are getting near the end of their life. Not sure if that adds up.

What's wrong with a Golf? You can find plenty mid-lifed examples below 10kCHF, even estate version if you want, and they are likely to be a lot cheaper on the long run.
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

Like Pickles said, 210k, that's high for the year. It should be asked, if you go see it, how were most of the Kilometers driven, highway or inner city?
Based on US/UK, 15k miles per year is average, here in CH it's a lot less.
So 7 x say 12k/year would be around average....90-100k should be about right for this vehicle.
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

If you're with ADAC or TCS, they can check the car over given an appointment.
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Like Pickles said, 210k, that's high for the year. It should be asked, if you go see it, how were most of the Kilometers driven, highway or inner city?
Based on US/UK, 15k miles per year is average, here in CH it's a lot less.
So 7 x say 12k/year would be around average....90-100k should be about right for this vehicle.
i don't understand the logic.
the car did 30k per year. perfectly normal for a diesel.
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

It is always tough to say how bad high KMs are.

In the US 15,000 miles (24,000km) per year is not unusual, in the UK it is 10-12k miles (16-20k km) and in Switzerland 8-12k KM - around half the UK amount. (For a typical private buyer)

On fleet 30,000km a year for a Swiss car is not usual - dig around on Autoscout for plenty of 3-4 year old cars coming off fleet with those sort of KMs on them.

200,000km is the big one in Switzerland - and buyers will avoid - and so prices are low, and the majority are sold to be exported.

As for how KMs age a car, it is hard to say. For example low KMs tend to lead to perished seals more quickly than high KMs. Low KM city driving tends to do more damage to DPFs, engines and gearboxes. High KM steady motorway driving does proportionally very little damage to the drivetrain - including suspension and steering components.

In most cases it is all about the history - a wad of receipts and a perfectly stamped service (ideally main dealer) history - good tyres, damage free OEM wheels will tell you more.

The one thing to remember is that the more a car has been driven the more someone has sat and farted on the drivers seat.
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

another point worth keeping in mind, the repair bills for originally expensive cars don't get lower with there age yes you can pick up a 10 yr old 150k chf car for relative peanuts, but its still going to have 150k chf car running costs.
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The one thing to remember is that the more a car has been driven the more someone has sat and farted on the drivers seat.
I like this logic.
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Like Pickles said, 210k, that's high for the year. It should be asked, if you go see it, how were most of the Kilometers driven, highway or inner city?
Based on US/UK, 15k miles per year is average, here in CH it's a lot less.
So 7 x say 12k/year would be around average....90-100k should be about right for this vehicle.
Hmm I've seen plenty of cars driven 30k+ a year in this country...The location of CH makes it ideal for trips in Europe - especially with the estate car.
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Hmm I've seen plenty of cars driven 30k+ a year in this country...The location of CH makes it ideal for trips in Europe - especially with the estate car.
If you like the car - go and look at it - FFS
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The one thing to remember is that the more a car has been driven the more someone has sat and farted on the drivers seat.
I speak of practical experience when I say that leather seats are not conductive to drive-by-farting. The seal is just too "perfect".

Seriously though. It is a nice car, but maintenance costs are going to be a killer. With cars like these (high mileage, no warranty), you are trading a low purchase value for high potential cost of ownership. I don't see this as a good trade. The risks with this car are difficult to value. That in itself makes that risk even higher. If you can't afford a low mileage version of this car, I'd say you can't afford this risk either.

You want to avoid the situation where the clutch goes south, the repair costs are easily more than half the purchase price and the car is thus a write off. You are then either stuck with a useless car that you can only sell for scrap, or you have to keep plowing more money into it to keep it running, effectively costing you more in the long run.
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

Get TCS to give it a once over, if that works out, buy the fekker!
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You want to avoid the situation where the clutch goes south, the repair costs are easily more than half the purchase price and the car is thus a write off.
Good news - it is an automatic
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

Seen it. Generally, the car is in good condition engine wise. It keeps the idle revs steady, the acceleration is smooth, no jerking albeit a bit of lag is present between throttle depressing and acceleration happening (turbo diesels are like this, right?). Took it for a spin on the motorway to Morges. The computer claimed around 5l/100km consumption when driving on cruise control. The car is not pulling to neither side, drives well although the power steering is much less powerful than in my current Volov S40.

The car was slightly damaged near the rear left end (the metal is not even but the paint is not damaged there) and one of the stop bulbs is burned. The card gris is present and last MKF was done in 2012 - is that good? The car previously was registered in Valais. Owner claims the kms were done mainly on the motorways. Also, there is no spare wheel but forgot to ask if there is a compressor instead. The owner showed me all service values from the onboard computer and only the brake fluid is due for replacement in December 2014. The particle filter is good for 130000km, pads for around 10000 km, overall service is due in 18000km. Also the log book with service history is present.

The interior was slightly dirty on the carpets but the leather was in good condition (it would have to be cleaned thoroughly after buying anyway). The knobs are not worn out, only the rear air vents are a bit tarnished.

I will have to think it over now but the purchase is not definitive yet. What do you say?
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Seen it. Generally, the car is in good condition engine wise. It keeps the idle revs steady, the acceleration is smooth, no jerking albeit a bit of lag is present between throttle depressing and acceleration happening (turbo diesels are like this, right?). Took it for a spin on the motorway to Morges. The computer claimed around 5l/100km consumption when driving on cruise control. The car is not pulling to neither side, drives well although the power steering is much less powerful than in my current Volov S40.

The car was slightly damaged near the rear left end (the metal is not even but the paint is not damaged there) and one of the stop bulbs is burned. The card gris is present and last MKF was done in 2012 - is that good? The car previously was registered in Valais. Owner claims the kms were done mainly on the motorways. Also, there is no spare wheel but forgot to ask if there is a compressor instead. The owner showed me all service values from the onboard computer and only the brake fluid is due for replacement in December 2014. The particle filter is good for 130000km, pads for around 10000 km, overall service is due in 18000km. Also the log book with service history is present.

The interior was slightly dirty on the carpets but the leather was in good condition (it would have to be cleaned thoroughly after buying anyway). The knobs are not worn out, only the rear air vents are a bit tarnished.

I will have to think it over now What do you say?
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Re: Quick opinions on this car [BMW 320d touring 2007]

In the end, you're buying a car that has been run rotten - this can be good and it can be bad. What I'd do it buy it and then be happy if I get a year out of it. Anything beyond that will be a bonus and it will be going to eastern Europe afterwards.

I'm planning something similar next year but not quite so near EOL.
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