Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10.01.2015, 11:17
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Geneva
Posts: 2
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
ydahmane has no particular reputation at present
Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Hi All,

I've seen many posts but would require some recommendations.
I'm currently working in Geneva and will be moving to Zurich for work (while my family would remain in France close to Geneva as we own a house).
I'll be commuting between Basel (4 days a week), Zurich + some telework.
For tax purposes from what I read, it is more interesting to live in Zurich.

Do you know any small town located in the canton of Zurich but closed to Basel so that I can easily commute to both Zurich and Basel?

I also know that it will be easier to find a room in a small town than Zurich city. Any hint to get a cheap room well located?

Thanks for the tips.
Cheers.
-Y.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10.01.2015, 14:06
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 16,999
Groaned at 283 Times in 217 Posts
Thanked 12,519 Times in 7,172 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

What permit do you currently hold and what's your nationality? EU nationals with a G permit can work anywhere in Switzerland, but non-EU's with a G are limited to the border zones so I don't think you'd be allowed to work in Zurich.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10.01.2015, 15:19
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Aesch, BL
Posts: 128
Groaned at 11 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 164 Times in 64 Posts
backtoch has an excellent reputationbacktoch has an excellent reputationbacktoch has an excellent reputationbacktoch has an excellent reputation
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Have you considered living in Basel Land? the taxes are more than half what they are in Basel Stadt and more comparable to ZH. The commute can be as little as 7 minutes tram ride.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10.01.2015, 17:14
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,288
Groaned at 34 Times in 25 Posts
Thanked 531 Times in 392 Posts
blackbird has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Well, the taxes in Geneve are lower then these in Basel-Land, do you consider
buying a GA for the SBB and keep the flat in Geneve ?
(When you are married, when you are not married the situation is completley different).
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10.01.2015, 19:57
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 16,999
Groaned at 283 Times in 217 Posts
Thanked 12,519 Times in 7,172 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Depends if he wants a 2 hour commute each way every day.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10.01.2015, 20:06
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,288
Groaned at 34 Times in 25 Posts
Thanked 531 Times in 392 Posts
blackbird has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Shure, but he will be at home(with his familiy) everyday and do not have to relocate.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10.01.2015, 20:25
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: basel or Zurich
Posts: 128
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 45 Times in 31 Posts
ciao has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Hi there,

I live in ZH and work in Basel. I am not EU so it doesn't matter which permit you have or nationality to live/work in different canton but you have to register in ZH.

For the commute, it's the best to live nearby HB or any station that has s-bahn to HB (e.g. Oerlikon, Dietikon and etc=probably a bit cheaper housing than HB area) but make sure there is s-bahn to HB is frequent (at least every 10 min).

Because taking the direct train (EC, IC or ECE) to basel from Zurich HB is the fastest way.

Another option is to live in Aarau (I don't know about tax benefit).

Hope this helps.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10.01.2015, 20:27
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Geneva
Posts: 2
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
ydahmane has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Hi Folks,

thanks for your feedback.
I hold a EU (French) and Canadian passeports. I'm currently with a G permit living in France close to Geneva.

I've looked to Basel Land and taxes seem higher than Geneva. Also being currently in France, the health insurance is much lower than the one in Geneva or Basel. The best option seems to be Zurich. I'd like to make sure though, that my salary would remain similar and doesn't go down from a considerable amount.

The GA for the SBB is something I will take but I can't remain in Geneva.
Commuting from Geneva to Zurich or Basel every day, is way too long.

If I have a room in Zurich (or closer to Basel in a canton where health insurance and taxes are lower) would help.

Any idea? No small town in Zurich canton closer to Basel? so that commuting is ok and taxes remain ok as well.

I've looked to Olten and other cities in between. They don't seem to be located in the Zurich canton and taxes and health insurance are also much higher.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10.01.2015, 20:41
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,288
Groaned at 34 Times in 25 Posts
Thanked 531 Times in 392 Posts
blackbird has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Why not living in St.Louis/France, so you have commute only once per week to zurich.
St.Louis to Bale can be done by train or Bus
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10.01.2015, 20:45
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 16,999
Groaned at 283 Times in 217 Posts
Thanked 12,519 Times in 7,172 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Shure, but he will be at home(with his familiy) everyday and do not have to relocate.
If you're leaving home at 5-6am and not getting back until 6-7pm you're not going to have much time with the family. And anyway his family isn't in Geneva, they're based in France so an even longer journey time.

Quote:
View Post
Hi there,

I live in ZH and work in Basel. I am not EU so it doesn't matter which permit you have or nationality to live/work in different canton but you have to register in ZH.

For the commute, it's the best to live nearby HB or any station that has s-bahn to HB (e.g. Oerlikon, Dietikon and etc=probably a bit cheaper housing than HB area) but make sure there is s-bahn to HB is frequent (at least every 10 min).

Because taking the direct train (EC, IC or ECE) to basel from Zurich HB is the fastest way.

Another option is to live in Aarau (I don't know about tax benefit).

Hope this helps.
Wrong. It matters very much what type of permit you have. As said, if he's non-EU and has a G permit, meaning he must return to his home in France at least once a week, then he cannot transfer that permit to Zurich because Zurich is not in a border zone. Nor for that matter could he move it to Basel because he doesn't live in a zone that borders it. However, if he's EU then he can still keep his G permit and work in Zurich because he's allowed to work anywhere in Switzerland and is not restricted by the various border zone treaties.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...g_eu_efta.html

If he has a non-EU B permit which is tied to his employer he's supposed to live in the same canton as his workplace, but it is possible to live in another canton if he asks permission to do so. Only if you're a non-EU and have an "open" B permit which isn't tied to an employer can you live where you want. Or if you're married to a Swiss/EU national and have either a B or C permit of course.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10.07.2017, 16:02
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Opfikon
Posts: 3
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
amdwaheed has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Hi there,

I live in ZH and work in Basel. I am not EU so it doesn't matter which permit you have or nationality to live/work in different canton but you have to register in ZH.

For the commute, it's the best to live nearby HB or any station that has s-bahn to HB (e.g. Oerlikon, Dietikon and etc=probably a bit cheaper housing than HB area) but make sure there is s-bahn to HB is frequent (at least every 10 min).

Because taking the direct train (EC, IC or ECE) to basel from Zurich HB is the fastest way.

Another option is to live in Aarau (I don't know about tax benefit).

Hope this helps.
So I'm non-EU and have been living in Zurich the past 5 years, I'm expecting a job offer from a company in Basel but I'm not sure if that would be OK from a work permit prospective or not, do I need the employer to apply for a new work permit for me? or my current work permit works fine? I have a B permit that gets renewed on yearly bases.
Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10.07.2017, 16:09
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Opfikon
Posts: 3
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
amdwaheed has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
If you're leaving home at 5-6am and not getting back until 6-7pm you're not going to have much time with the family. And anyway his family isn't in Geneva, they're based in France so an even longer journey time.



Wrong. It matters very much what type of permit you have. As said, if he's non-EU and has a G permit, meaning he must return to his home in France at least once a week, then he cannot transfer that permit to Zurich because Zurich is not in a border zone. Nor for that matter could he move it to Basel because he doesn't live in a zone that borders it. However, if he's EU then he can still keep his G permit and work in Zurich because he's allowed to work anywhere in Switzerland and is not restricted by the various border zone treaties.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...g_eu_efta.html

If he has a non-EU B permit which is tied to his employer he's supposed to live in the same canton as his workplace, but it is possible to live in another canton if he asks permission to do so. Only if you're a non-EU and have an "open" B permit which isn't tied to an employer can you live where you want. Or if you're married to a Swiss/EU national and have either a B or C permit of course.
I'm Sorry I didn't see your answer before I asked my question, but I was hoping you could clarify it more, I live in Zurich (non-EU on B permit since 5 years now) and my permit is not attached to my employer and I know that because I changed employers 2 years ago and the new employer had to only change my work permit to them which was then attached to the old employer, couple of months back I received feedback from my current employer that they received feedback from the labor office that my work permit no longer have restrictions on time or employers so I can change employers as I wish, only new employers need to inform labor office.

So what do you mean by asking for permission? who do I need to ask?

Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10.07.2017, 16:21
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 16,999
Groaned at 283 Times in 217 Posts
Thanked 12,519 Times in 7,172 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
I'm Sorry I didn't see your answer before I asked my question, but I was hoping you could clarify it more, I live in Zurich (non-EU on B permit since 5 years now) and my permit is not attached to my employer and I know that because I changed employers 2 years ago and the new employer had to only change my work permit to them which was then attached to the old employer, couple of months back I received feedback from my current employer that they received feedback from the labor office that my work permit no longer have restrictions on time or employers so I can change employers as I wish, only new employers need to inform labor office.

So what do you mean by asking for permission? who do I need to ask?

Thanks!
You don't, if your permit has no restrictions there's no need to ask if you can change cantons. Are you sure though because you seem to be contradicting yourself, asking in one post if the new employer has to apply for a new permit for you and in the next saying you have no restrictions.

You'll have to deregister with Zurich and re-register with Basel to get a new B permit.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10.07.2017, 17:00
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Opfikon
Posts: 3
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
amdwaheed has no particular reputation at present
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
You don't, if your permit has no restrictions there's no need to ask if you can change cantons. Are you sure though because you seem to be contradicting yourself, asking in one post if the new employer has to apply for a new permit for you and in the next saying you have no restrictions.

You'll have to deregister with Zurich and re-register with Basel to get a new B permit.
I'm sorry I have a tendency for being unclear

I don't plan to move out of Zurich as my wife lives and work there (non-EU as well) so I plan to commute on a daily bases.
2 years ago when I switched employers my new employer had only to issue/adjust my current work permit to them as it was attached to my ex-employer, so I know this can be done for me here in Zurich, plus that couple of weeks ago my current employer informed me that they received feedback from the labor office informing them of removing restrictions on my current work permit, when I asked my employer what that means they told me it means I can now switch employers freely as my work permit got no longer restrictions on switching employers but since I'm expecting an offer from Basel which I would like to take, I'm not sure if this would be the same case in a different cantoon.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10.07.2017, 17:16
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 16,999
Groaned at 283 Times in 217 Posts
Thanked 12,519 Times in 7,172 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

No restrictions means exactly that. No restrictions at all. You just need to take your new employment contract to your gemeinde admin office to show them you've changed employers.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10.07.2017, 17:31
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 12,230
Groaned at 260 Times in 169 Posts
Thanked 14,491 Times in 6,136 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Any idea? No small town in Zurich canton closer to Basel?
there are none.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11.07.2017, 01:22
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 34 Times in 21 Posts
koahiatamadl has earned some respectkoahiatamadl has earned some respect
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
No small town in Zurich canton closer to Basel? so that commuting is ok and taxes remain ok as well.
The fastest connection is the ec/ic from Zürich HB to Basel SBB. It takes 53mins. Every other connection is going to take longer. Only the slow trains stop at small towns or you need to connect. And unless the job is walking distance from SBB you'll need to connect in Basel already and before you know it your commute is 1hr 45min each way. So if you are determined to do this and the tax/insurance savings vs the cost of a GA/loss in quality of life are worth it focus on a room in walking distance from HB.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11.07.2017, 14:04
Samaire13's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CH
Posts: 3,271
Groaned at 80 Times in 65 Posts
Thanked 5,116 Times in 1,960 Posts
Samaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Working in Basel and Living in Zurich

Quote:
View Post
The fastest connection is the ec/ic from Zürich HB to Basel SBB. It takes 53mins. Every other connection is going to take longer. Only the slow trains stop at small towns or you need to connect. And unless the job is walking distance from SBB you'll need to connect in Basel already and before you know it your commute is 1hr 45min each way. So if you are determined to do this and the tax/insurance savings vs the cost of a GA/loss in quality of life are worth it focus on a room in walking distance from HB.
Jep. It may look like 55mins on paper, but that obviously literally means main station to main station. In reality, it's unlikely you will work and live in immediate vicinity of either train station, and a tram commute of a few kms very easily comes in at another 15, 20, 25mins - in the worst case in both places.

A lot of people do this commute daily. For me personally, it wouldn't be an option again (I did it for a year), the loss of time and loss in quality of life is simply too much, unless you can somehow get a 1st-class GA and work on the train. And/or if you have an 8-5 job that will not require significant extra hours.

Granted, if you have no choice... Up to you whether you decide that only one of you is commuting, or if you prefer to both commute and then you can move to e.g. Aarau (Baden wouldn't save you any time to get to Basel - the train is slower and also takes 50mins, might as well stay in Zurich).
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
accomodation, basel, room, transportation, zurich




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Family of 4 living in france and working in Basel Beautiful fairy Family matters/health 15 02.03.2012 18:22
for free - book living and working in Switzerland (Basel) Blani Free stuff 3 18.05.2011 08:01
Income Tax whilst working in Basel and living in France Flash Jordan Finance/banking/taxation 7 29.03.2009 22:48
Working and living in Basel, Switzerland raypotential Introductions 0 29.07.2007 14:33
Working and living in Basel voskouee Employment 27 18.07.2007 14:03


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:22.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0