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I passed by this one the other day. What do you reckon, value for money or a big waste??

I seem to find it a whole lot of car for very little money (compared to what others dare to ask for their car)

http://www.autoscout24.ch/3380624
A Porsche Cayenne wrapped in kimono?
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Well, yeah, but "sonst alles gut"! (Even with only 237,000 km. What could possibly go wrong?)
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Old 27.11.2015, 15:16
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A Porsche Cayenne wrapped in kimono?
Yes. For 1/3 of the price
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I passed by this one the other day. What do you reckon, value for money or a big waste??

I seem to find it a whole lot of car for very little money (compared to what others dare to ask for their car)

http://www.autoscout24.ch/3380624
Rather thirsty for a 6-pot. Similar age X5 35i is 2l/10km more economical.

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That gearbox!
Tiptronics are pretty good.
Multitronic should be avoided - FWD cars - typically the 3.0 A4 - of which there are bloody loads for sale!
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Yes. For 1/3 of the price
It looks more like the Macan - or rather the Macan looks like it (since it came later). On that note, to this day I have not come to terms with the name Macan. When I say it out loud, the first things that come to mind are: cabbage, monkey and condemned meat. None of those inspire desirable emotions with respect to a car.

In any case, you point out exactly why Infiniti caught my eye. It would appear that you get the sort of doodads, equipment and design like in premium SUVs. I mean, it is in effect a premium SUV just perhaps depreciating very fast due to lack of market penetration (I always like to use that word ). New, it costs similar to a Macan, it looks very similar, only it is made by Nissan.
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On that note, to this day I have not come to terms with the name Macan.
Same here, but for different reason. "Makan" means "to eat" in Malay... and a very common word in daily Singaporean English which I heard for years. So it sounds like Porsche "En Guete" to me...
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Re: Recommended cars for sale

Ok, so here's an attempt to reinvigorate the topic:

What are your thoughts on good ole' yank cars?

Say recent builds of Jeep Grand Cherokees? Or something more adventurous like a Dodge Durango?

They seem to have interesting doodads that usually only appear on higher end models of premium European brands (adaptive cruise control, HUD or night vision to name a few).
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Old 08.12.2015, 15:33
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What are your thoughts on good ole' yank cars?
They're brilliant!
(As hire cars when you're in the US)

I've driven a number of them over the years and have failed to be impressed with what I have found. Without exception the interiors have been woeful - cheap feeling plastics, cheap feeling electronics and nasty quality leather.

Then there is the ride quality - even on small wheel, with high sidewall tyres and a soft suspension that ride never feels good - it gets unsettled too easily and the damping never catches up. Consecutive bumps can create a feeling of seasickness!!

Engines tend to be underpowered for their size and gearboxes tend to be a generation older than I'd expect.

Despite all that - there are some jewels. The old Grand Cherokees are considerably more reliable than a similar age Range Rover and have superb towing capabilities. The old engines are ludicriously thirsty but the 4.7 V8 is a decent thing and the pick of the bunch.

The modern muscle cars (Mustang, Challenger, Camaro) are good looking enough - but are overly sized and lack the sophistication of the European offerings. I enjoyed a weekend with a drop-top Camaro a couple of years back - it was only the 3.6, but it would put down 11s if required, looked superb and "worked" for the trip - but I was in Delaware in late May!!

There was much made of the "new" Chrysler 300C when it came out - looking all moody gangster-ride - but the inside is horrid!

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I've also used a "new" Wrangler for towing and it felt "mega" - rock solid, plenty of grunt and well up to the job. BUT it was far from being refined and liked a drink.

I have enjoyed every single American car I have driven - but I've not wanted to own any of them
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Old 08.12.2015, 16:04
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Re: Recommended cars for sale

I always felt with the US cars that you get alot more bang for your buck . This is speaking of the older versions. Currently have a 5.7 l tahoe. Love the thing and its bulletproof (despite several current issues) it will never leave me stranded. Also had a 2004 Grand cherokee but with the Merc engine (2.7 Diesel) Looooooved it but the tranny often acted up in cold weather. comfort wise .....brilliant. I always felt US cars are made to roadtrip whereas the Europeans are more of a "joy"to drive. but the US cars simply are to thirsty.....


plus you get a little wave when passing another American truck (GM , dodge, ford only though)
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Old 08.12.2015, 17:20
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Despite all that - there are some jewels. The old Grand Cherokees are considerably more reliable than a similar age Range Rover
Everything is more reliable than a pre-2006 RR

OK almost, no Allroad pictures with collapsed air suspensions please
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Old 08.12.2015, 18:04
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Re: Recommended cars for sale

I agree with Ken, they generally feel a bit crummy next to the European competition, particularly interiors.

If you want to know how low US buyers standards are, they are now re-badging the Opel Mokka, Astra and Insignia to sell them as Buicks in the USA. Buick is meant to be a premium brand, and the customers there are happily lapping up dreary mid-market European gruel just because someone nailed a chrome grille to the front.

Yes, you get a lot of equipment, but you have to look at an interior made from the cheapest materials Hank and Chuck could find and personally I'd rather have a lower spec European car which drives properly and doesn't squeak over every bump once it reaches its third birthday.
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Despite all that - there are some jewels. The old Grand Cherokees are considerably more reliable than a similar age Range Rover and have superb towing capabilities.
Not too difficult I guess to be more reliable than the RR. Would suggest a Landcruiser instead.. if needed with V8 Diesel
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Old 08.12.2015, 22:10
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Not too difficult I guess to be more reliable than the RR. Would suggest a Landcruiser instead.. if needed with V8 Diesel
My point was that for 5k you can get an old school petrol V8 SUV - soggy suspension, 3,500kg towing limit and the ability to waft around.

(I appear to be talking myself into yet another V8)

4.7 V8 Jeep
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Re: Recommended cars for sale

Not a recommendation, but more of a question, but I'll tag it on here for starters.

I'm currently looking to replace my 10 yr. old Kangoo 4x4, and have started to search Autoscout, by just setting a few search criterium to filter the results a bit and see what comes back.

One of the results that caught my eye (although I wouldn't have necessarily have sought this model out) was a KIA SOUL - primarily because there's around five different dealers knocking new(ish) [e.g. registered in 08/15 with mileage of 1km, 100km, 150km up to 1000km and a couple a bit beyond that] for discounts of between 5 and 8K (20 - 30% off new price).

Ok, I'll hazard a guess that these are showroom/demo cars (a couple of garges admit to this in their ad.), but one with only a hundred km on the clock and 8K off the sticker price can't be bad.

Is there something that I'm missing here? (ok, it wont aesthetically please most people, engine and performance and size isn't great, but it could fit my requirements at these discounts). Energy efficiency is F.

I wouldn't normally consider buying new, but could be swayed .... and I don't need a 2 ton, 3.5l BFO SUV.
I have to consider kids, pets and a wife who doesn't like big or complicated.
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One of the results that caught my eye (although I wouldn't have necessarily have sought this model out) was a KIA SOUL - primarily because there's around five different dealers knocking new(ish)

I wouldn't normally consider buying new, but could be swayed .... and I don't need a 2 ton, 3.5l BFO SUV.
I have to consider kids, pets and a wife who doesn't like big or complicated.
In theory they should be reliable, nicely warrantied and dull. My only experience of a Kia was a Cee-apostrophe-D which had horrid ride in the front and apparently the feel of no suspension in the back

The GDI looks rubbish - the CRDI much better - and the Style range adds enough goodies - this one looks good.

However: a demo GDI Trend can be had from Emil Frey for <16k.

And for the price, and if you want new, take a look at the Cactus - it has flair.
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In theory they should be reliable, nicely warrantied and dull. My only experience of a Kia was a Cee-apostrophe-D which had horrid ride in the front and apparently the feel of no suspension in the back

The GDI looks rubbish - the CRDI much better - and the Style range adds enough goodies - this one looks good.

However: a demo GDI Trend can be had from Emil Frey for <16k.

And for the price, and if you want new, take a look at the Cactus - it has flair.
Cheers dk.

I've only had a quick chance to look at reviews, but it's noted that they've softened the suspension in the latest version.

Re. your suggestions, the first (Soul), is a diesel, which I was looking to avoid (although, depending on which review you read, it's rated better than the petrol engine) ..... not just for obvious reasons, but also because loads of my usage is short and very short journeys - not good for diesels.

The second one (Cactus) is probably a bit underpowered at 1.2l, 82 PS.

I've also seen a Soul, nearer to me, with 100 kliks for between 16 and 17K.
May go have a quick look in the next few days.
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Seen any good people movers? Still looking for a friend.
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The second one (Cactus) is probably a bit underpowered at 1.2l, 82 PS.

I've also seen a Soul, nearer to me, with 100 kliks for between 16 and 17K.
May go have a quick look in the next few days.
I found the diesels (99ps) or THP models (petrol 110ps) for under 20k.

If you do test one get someone to sit in the back and do a mix of urban and motorway work. I rarely get car sick (anymore) but I did in the back of a SEAT Leon on a motorway schlepp because the ride was too hard
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My point was that for 5k you can get an old school petrol V8 SUV - soggy suspension, 3,500kg towing limit and the ability to waft around.

(I appear to be talking myself into yet another V8)

4.7 V8 Jeep

Slightly OT question:

Do I need to extend my B driving license to tow a car? I think the B cat allows up to 3.5ton gross weight, including towed, so what's the cat that I would need if I would like to occasionally tow a car (plus some parts and tools)?
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Not a recommendation, but more of a question, but I'll tag it on here for starters.

I'm currently looking to replace my 10 yr. old Kangoo 4x4, and have started to search Autoscout, by just setting a few search criterium to filter the results a bit and see what comes back.

One of the results that caught my eye (although I wouldn't have necessarily have sought this model out) was a KIA SOUL - primarily because there's around five different dealers knocking new(ish) [e.g. registered in 08/15 with mileage of 1km, 100km, 150km up to 1000km and a couple a bit beyond that] for discounts of between 5 and 8K (20 - 30% off new price).

Ok, I'll hazard a guess that these are showroom/demo cars (a couple of garges admit to this in their ad.), but one with only a hundred km on the clock and 8K off the sticker price can't be bad.

Is there something that I'm missing here? (ok, it wont aesthetically please most people, engine and performance and size isn't great, but it could fit my requirements at these discounts). Energy efficiency is F.

I wouldn't normally consider buying new, but could be swayed .... and I don't need a 2 ton, 3.5l BFO SUV.
I have to consider kids, pets and a wife who doesn't like big or complicated.
I spent a few days driving a Soul back in September in the US, and I thought it was pretty horrid really but that was mainly due to the awful engine and gearbox combo. I wasn't a fan of the seats either but that's quite a personal thing so you might think they're fine. I imagine that if you get one with a manual gearbox and select a colour which isn't 'Royal Mail red' it's probably an acceptable choice, especially given what you're coming from.

Another one worth looking at is a Ford Tourneo Courier, it has an amazing amount of space in a tiny footprint, is fantastic VFM and is pretty good to drive too. Go for the 1.0 petrol engine and as long as you can live with the looks this is where my cash would go.

I love the C4 Cactus too, but most of them don't have split fold rear seats which would rule it out for me.
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