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If you ever wanted to know the impact of KM on a 4 year old car - then these guys have a real world example

178k km = 9,500
148k km = 11,500
128k km = 12,500
95k km = 14,500
77k km = 16,500
This is actually a very good opportunity if the car fits your needs. I had a similar opportunity when I came to Switzerland: a dealer here in Basel just got back from the Euroairport 10 cars used by the maintenace crew to move around, only difference was in color. They were so eager to get rid of them so lot of chances for bargaining!
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If you ever wanted to know the impact of KM on a 4 year old car - then these guys have a real world example

178k km = 9,500
148k km = 11,500
128k km = 12,500
95k km = 14,500
77k km = 16,500
Interesting, I see one has a broken screen but even then it's still a good comparison.

Personally, I'd take the cheapest one - assuming they've all been maintained to the same standard. Paying 7k more to get a car with 100k less doesn't make sense to me and the car itself will be good for well over 300k if properly maintained, as many taxi drivers will attest to.
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Interesting, I see one has a broken screen but even then it's still a good comparison.

Personally, I'd take the cheapest one - assuming they've all been maintained to the same standard. Paying 7k more to get a car with 100k less doesn't make sense to me and the car itself will be good for well over 300k if properly maintained, as many taxi drivers will attest to.
I'd do the exact opposite: Only 7k more to get a car with 100k less? Even if they are maintained to the same standard: Stuff will fail with use, that's the case for those taxis as well. 100k km more is a lot, 77k on the clock is usually just about the right age to buy something: it's the sweet spot where the big write off is long through, but the maintenance costs have not yet gone up. I'd buy it with 77k and sell it with 177k.
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I'd do the exact opposite: Only 7k more to get a car with 100k less? Even if they are maintained to the same standard: Stuff will fail with use, that's the case for those taxis as well. 100k km more is a lot, 77k on the clock is usually just about the right age to buy something: it's the sweet spot where the big write off is long through, but the maintenance costs have not yet gone up. I'd buy it with 77k and sell it with 177k.
I've run a few high mileage cars in the past and never had big issues as long as they've been serviced on time and well looked after. With many of the expensive failures on cars now being electrical rather than wearing mechanical parts it's not like 20 years ago when you'd be prepared for engine rebuilds and gearbox failures.

The 7k difference today will be half that in three years and I'd be really surprised if the high miler threw 3.5k more in bills at you during that time. 77k is still enough for some things to go wrong.

In reality though, people buy based on budget, if your budget is 9.5k you'd buy the high miler, if it was 16.5k you'd buy something more interesting than a diesel Passat wagon
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I've run a few high mileage cars in the past and never had big issues as long as they've been serviced on time and well looked after. With many of the expensive failures on cars now being electrical rather than wearing mechanical parts it's not like 20 years ago when you'd be prepared for engine rebuilds and gearbox failures.

The 7k difference today will be half that in three years and I'd be really surprised if the high miler threw 3.5k more in bills at you during that time. 77k is still enough for some things to go wrong.

In reality though, people buy based on budget, if your budget is 9.5k you'd buy the high miler, if it was 16.5k you'd buy something more interesting than a diesel Passat wagon
9.5k for the brave

Or 14.5k for the collector
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I'd do the exact opposite: Only 7k more to get a car with 100k less? Even if they are maintained to the same standard: Stuff will fail with use, that's the case for those taxis as well. 100k km more is a lot, 77k on the clock is usually just about the right age to buy something: it's the sweet spot where the big write off is long through, but the maintenance costs have not yet gone up. I'd buy it with 77k and sell it with 177k.
The last 3 BMW's I bought had 133,000, 165,000 & 190,000 when I acquired them. I drove the first 2 a further 170,000 with very few repairs & sold the 3rd when I left CH. Maintain costs were very low I changed oil, brake pads, disks & the odd wheel bearing, 1 radiator & 1 water pump in roughly 400,000 km in old cars. Disposing of at 300k is optimal as thats when odd things start to fail.
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The last 3 BMW's I bought had 133,000, 165,000 & 190,000 when I acquired them. I drove the first 2 a further 170,000 with very few repairs & sold the 3rd when I left CH. Maintain costs were very low I changed oil, brake pads, disks & the odd wheel bearing, 1 radiator & 1 water pump in roughly 400,000 km in old cars. Disposing of at 300k is optimal as thats when odd things start to fail.
Good to know... so I should be good for another 220k then...
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The last 3 BMW's I bought had 133,000, 165,000 & 190,000 when I acquired them. I drove the first 2 a further 170,000 with very few repairs & sold the 3rd when I left CH. Maintain costs were very low I changed oil, brake pads, disks & the odd wheel bearing, 1 radiator & 1 water pump in roughly 400,000 km in old cars. Disposing of at 300k is optimal as thats when odd things start to fail.
The race-car was built a good 7 year ago from a 1996 110,000 mile M3. It is now 20 years - and will have only be driven on track since then.

There have been race damages but apart from that it has needed:
- Fluids: oil, brake
- Parts: spark plugs, coils, usual service items, fuel hoses, cam sensors

The race dampers have been revalved once - the pads used to be changed once a race weekend - but now last 4 race weekends (endurance pads) and the discs seem to last forever (in racing terms). I've not needed new suspension components (control arms etc).

It is incredible how much abuse you can throw at a car.
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The race-car was built a good 7 year ago from a 1996 110,000 mile M3. It is now 20 years - and will have only be driven on track since then.

There have been race damages but apart from that it has needed:
- Fluids: oil, brake
- Parts: spark plugs, coils, usual service items, fuel hoses, cam sensors

The race dampers have been revalved once - the pads used to be changed once a race weekend - but now last 4 race weekends (endurance pads) and the discs seem to last forever (in racing terms). I've not needed new suspension components (control arms etc).

It is incredible how much abuse you can throw at a car.
Impressive.

But hey it is a 1996 M3 and may even not have lost any value
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I've run a few high mileage cars in the past and never had big issues as long as they've been serviced on time and well looked after. With many of the expensive failures on cars now being electrical rather than wearing mechanical parts it's not like 20 years ago when you'd be prepared for engine rebuilds and gearbox failures.\
Shocks, caliper rebuilds, various bushings, liquid lines and seals, these are the annoying parts, and most of these will never go away.

They're not expensive per se (or can be cheap with proper research), but they can be labor intensive and have additional costs.

A coolant hose goes, that is a 20CHF part (if at that) and on top of that you need new coolant, and bleeding the system.

You want to rebuild a caliper with a 10CHF set of seals, I don't even want to get a quote from a Swiss garage.


If you can work on a car, then a high-mileage is no problem, and can be fun if you're a stupid grease monkey like moi. But listening how people get robbed going for oil changes in a Swiss garage, I would really not like to get an old 5er maintained over 150k Km...
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Shocks, caliper rebuilds, various bushings, liquid lines and seals, these are the annoying parts, and most of these will never go away.

They're not expensive per se (or can be cheap with proper research), but they can be labor intensive and have additional costs.

A coolant hose goes, that is a 20CHF part (if at that) and on top of that you need new coolant, and bleeding the system.

You want to rebuild a caliper with a 10CHF set of seals, I don't even want to get a quote from a Swiss garage.


If you can work on a car, then a high-mileage is no problem, and can be fun if you're a stupid grease monkey like moi. But listening how people get robbed going for oil changes in a Swiss garage, I would really not like to get an old 5er maintained over 150k Km...
Shocks and bushes yes, but all the other bits like seals, hoses, sensors and ECUs fail more based on age than miles. Also, it's quite possible that a high mileage car has had bits replaced which will fail soon on the lower mileage stuff.
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Shocks and bushes yes, but all the other bits like seals, hoses, sensors and ECUs fail more based on age than miles. Also, it's quite possible that a high mileage car has had bits replaced which will fail soon on the lower mileage stuff.
It is important to divide up what fails by age, what fails by total KMs and what fails by "type of KM".

Sit a modern car on the motorway for 200km per day - and after 3 years its dampers will still be in good condition. Drive through Zurich 200km per day and they'll be shot in 3months! (Probably - and you can blame speed bumps for much of that)

There are a whole crap load of premium large estates now on the market from 2007-2010 - with high KMs, high spec, high performance and reasonable economy - 530XD, Volvo V/XC70 and Merc E-class. They all represent great value and can be snapped up from under 10k. But 10k is still a lot of money to throw at a 10 year old 200k+ car.

One thing really worth checking on a high KM car is the driver's seat - the cushioning will wear!
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It is important to divide up what fails by age, what fails by total KMs and what fails by "type of KM".

Sit a modern car on the motorway for 200km per day - and after 3 years its dampers will still be in good condition. Drive through Zurich 200km per day and they'll be shot in 3months! (Probably - and you can blame speed bumps for much of that)

There are a whole crap load of premium large estates now on the market from 2007-2010 - with high KMs, high spec, high performance and reasonable economy - 530XD, Volvo V/XC70 and Merc E-class. They all represent great value and can be snapped up from under 10k. But 10k is still a lot of money to throw at a 10 year old 200k+ car.

One thing really worth checking on a high KM car is the driver's seat - the cushioning will wear!
I have a 5 cylinder V70 with almost 200K km on it and 10 years old. It has done mostly motorway and it still feels good for another 200K. Apart from the normal maintenance I had to change the compressor of the airconditioning.

Amazing good quality considering what it would be worth if I were to sell it (5 to 8K?)
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I have a 5 cylinder V70 with almost 200K km on it and 10 years old. It has done mostly motorway and it still feels good for another 200K. Apart from the normal maintenance I had to change the compressor of the airconditioning.

Amazing good quality considering what it would be worth if I were to sell it (5 to 8K?)
I'd have a post 2007 V/XC70 again - superb cruiser, relaxing cabin, safe, spacious, tows well.
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I'd have a post 2007 V/XC70 again - superb cruiser, relaxing cabin, safe, spacious, tows well.
forgot to say it turns like a tanker. The 5 cylinder block does not permit the front wheels to turn in fully. Later versions with 4 cylinders do a lot better
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forgot to say it turns like a tanker. The 5 cylinder block does not permit the front wheels to turn in fully. Later versions with 4 cylinders do a lot better
The 850 wasn't so bad, the P1 V70 was horrendous, a little better with the P2 and then the P3 was fine - the whole car is much wider.

I had an old Passat 2200 with the non-turbo Quattro engine - but that was mounted longitudally, with the radiator (too small) off to one side.
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Shocks, caliper rebuilds, various bushings, liquid lines and seals, these are the annoying parts, and most of these will never go away.

They're not expensive per se (or can be cheap with proper research), but they can be labor intensive and have additional costs.

A coolant hose goes, that is a 20CHF part (if at that) and on top of that you need new coolant, and bleeding the system.

You want to rebuild a caliper with a 10CHF set of seals, I don't even want to get a quote from a Swiss garage.





I bought a 330XD with 210'000 on the clock and ran it to 280'000 : the engine was perfect, not a hic, but every year I had approximately 2k chf in suspension or related bits to change. Both rear springs rusted through and snapped, leading to some surprisingly drifty moments and bald rear tyres (consequence, not oversight...), replacing that lot revealed other things that demanded attention, and so on.


Agreed there are some superb bargains to be had, and relative to the depreciation on something newer it's still cheaper to buy high miles, but you also have to weigh up the cost of how long and how often your high miler will be up on the ramps being diagnosed for that rattle or wobble, getting parts, and how long it'll take to be fixed, not just the bills.
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How about something that can go for a million (Miles)?

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/heres-...-mi-1776141464
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I bought a 330XD with 210'000 on the clock and ran it to 280'000 : the engine was perfect, not a hic, but every year I had approximately 2k chf in suspension or related bits to change. Both rear springs rusted through and snapped, leading to some surprisingly drifty moments and bald rear tyres (consequence, not oversight...), replacing that lot revealed other things that demanded attention, and so on.


Agreed there are some superb bargains to be had, and relative to the depreciation on something newer it's still cheaper to buy high miles, but you also have to weigh up the cost of how long and how often your high miler will be up on the ramps being diagnosed for that rattle or wobble, getting parts, and how long it'll take to be fixed, not just the bills.
E46 in knackered rear spring shocker!!! NOT!!
It is their weak point - along with rusting on the arches and sills. In general the 3-series suffers more than the 5 and 7-series BMWs when it comes to rust and suspension issues.

I still rate the E34 BMW 5 series as one of the last "great" properly engineered cars (along with the Merc W124)

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How about something that can go for a million (Miles)?

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/heres-...-mi-1776141464
A long way short of the Volvo P1800 then
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The 850 wasn't so bad, the P1 V70 was horrendous, a little better with the P2 and then the P3 was fine - the whole car is much wider.
I need a wide wagon to transport my go-kart. I'm fed up with dealing with trailers and the costs associated with it. When I was young I used my father's Opel Omega estate and it worked just perfect. Now I'm considering something like this:

http://www.autoscout24.ch/it/automob...10&yearto=2006

Anyone knows whether it's really reliable or a money pit?
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