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Car accident

Sorry for the mammoth post, I was just looking for some straight talking to please.

I was coming off a motorway slip road on the A1. There was a big queue on the slip road and a queue of traffic at the top, so the cars were letting people in off the slip road one by one. When I came to the top I waited to be let in, sure enough a lady waved me into join the road, I glanced at the cycle lane that runs along side the road I was joining, no cyclists, waved thanks back to the lady and went to edge forward. It's a habit, I do it regularly, I'm beginning to doubt I looked enough

Then a motorbike clipped my front wheel. He'd been in the queue of the road I was trying to join and weaved out into the cycle lane & went straight into me as I'd started to turn.

At that moment a million and one Swiss people ran to help, they were amazing, esp as my french went to pot. They called the authorities, took my baby from the car to look after, comforted me, made sure the biker stayed on the floor, I can't begin really to explain how great they were.

The police came, they were so kind, one hugged me and explained everything. They drove my car home for me afterwards! The ambulance men checked the motorcyclist out, he had hurt his leg, they said it was a graze through his jeans and was absolutely fine. He had to go to hospital for a 'controle'.

Now I know I have to take half the responsibility as my front wheel was over the white line when he hit me. Fair enough. They said at best il get a letter, at worst a fine and a month ban. They said he was in the wrong on multiple points, no lights, dangerous manoeuvre, driving in cycle lane, speed etc.

But I'm not good. If he'd have been 2 secs later he would have ploughed into my son. When I went to help him he threatened to kill me & he'd remember what I looked like, I know shock but I'm scared. The docs have given me some medicine for the next couple of days but I'm a mess & I can't keep going over it in real life. How did I not see him? Its frightening me. Can anyone help? I'm scared of what's going to happen next & I'm too scared to drive the car
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Old 13.05.2015, 12:45
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Re: Car accident

No major harm done. Let the police deal with the "who's at fault?" business. I wouldn't pay too much attention to what the guy was saying when he was down on the floor injured.

Could have been much much worse, so just take it easy and learn from this. Maybe there is nothing to learn for you apart from being extra vigilant when someone waves you in.

For the motorcyclist it's a different matter, we haven't heard his side of the story but it doesn't sound too good, no lights? on a bicycle lane? maybe too fast? He might have had the right of way but filtering through slowly moving traffic on a cycle lane is always a recipe for disaster not to mention being illegal.
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Re: Car accident

Good idea to get back in the car with someone you trust as soon as possible and regain your confidence.

Accidents are just that accidents and you just need to learn from them.
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Old 13.05.2015, 12:57
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Put any thoughts that he may take further action out of your mind. He was obviously upset at the accident and probably just venting his anger. It sounds like he is in enough trouble already.

Of course, if he did make any unwarranted contact, go straight to the Police
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No major harm done. Let the police deal with the "who's at fault?" business. I wouldn't pay too much attention to what the guy was saying when he was down on the floor injured.
MM, I'd say let the police know about it (it wasn't clear from the OP, did you tell them already?) and then try to put it out of your mind. The police do need to know though. There may be some additional precautions they would like to take just to be on the safe side, e.g. hiding your license plate number in the public database.
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Re: Car accident

+1 to what MathNut said. Think about it: if you tell them and nothing happens, no big deal. If you tell them and something happens/may happen, they could prevent it.
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if you don't tell them and something really happens you'll regret not having taken action when you could. So call them and make your statement or take an appointment, it's a win/win situation for you.

About not being able to get over it: guess what, you're human just like us...
Would be scary to know that you have an accident like that (with your baby in the car!) and the next day you feel like nothing happened. It will take time but it will eventually fade to the point when you will get in a car and drive again. It's important that you do because if you let too much time pass by then you really will be uneasy driving again and this may put you in further danger, and we don't want this right?
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Re: Car accident

Forget the dingbat on the bike - focus on the kindness of everyone else. Even the most careful drivers can have accidents - it only takes a moment of not looking in that particular direction.

If he'd gone into the side of your car, then, unless you're driving something with the structural strength of a box kleenex, the chances are the car would have been badly damaged... but the contents (i.e. your kid) not.

Finally - if you find you're not recovering, seek counselling. It can really help.
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Re: Car accident

I can't believe you all replied! I'm so grateful, truly I'm not normally this bloody wet but I can't stop going over it and all your messages make so much sense. Thank you so so much.

I will call the police to just update my statement, I think you are right. I don't have to make a big deal out of it but yes if they know they can be a bit careful about my details and also I can sleep a bit better! I don't really think hel come after me if I'm being straight with myself but he just made some comments about my appearance to remember me by that were a bit unsettling. (And patronising which I can take!)

I'm going to reread the messages and give myself a slap and get in the car tomorrow. If it doesn't feel great then il just try again the day after, it can't last forever can it! It's just I want to fully trust myself that I won't miss anything ever again. I guess like you say, I've just to accept I didn't see him in time and that's it isn't it. I can only improve. And the kids are always tight in their seats and safe as can be, just my mind working overtime.

If it's a fine and licence one month ban it's not the end of the world. Just nervous about the size of the fine but shit happens.

Apologies to anyone I held up on the A1 yesterday. And thanks to those waving at my son when they drove past, it made his day being a baby boy, he loved all the attention from the cars and trucks!
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Re: Car accident

Put any thoughts that he may take further action out of your mind. He was obviously upset at the accident and probably just venting his anger. It sounds like he is in enough trouble already.

Of course, if he did make any unwarranted contact, go straight to the Police
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Re: Car accident

How did I not see him.... that's easy and something that effects all of us.. you did see him but simply didn't register that he was there. That's the brain works.. you expect to see a car you look for big objects. It's been proved over and over again.

You will see the bike next time.

This human condition is why I ride with super bright LED additional lighting and ride defensively to avoid someone pulling out in front of me.
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How did I not see him.... that's easy and something that effects all of us.. you did see him but simply didn't register that he was there. That's the brain works.. you expect to see a car you look for big objects. It's been proved over and over again.

You will see the bike next time.

This human condition is why I ride with super bright LED additional lighting and ride defensively to avoid someone pulling out in front of me.
Alternatively, perhaps she didn't see him in the cycle lane because he wasn't in the cycle lane when she looked.

She says she was looking for cyclists. Cyclists are the same size as motorcyclists so I really doubt that was the issue here. More likely is that he wasn't in the cycle lane yet, was still behind some cars in the car lane, and pulled out (without looking carefully enough himself, apparently) in the moments after she had already made her check and started to merge.
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Re: Car accident

Thanks for the messages. Yes, to clarify the motorbike used the cycle lane to try and undercut the cars in the queue of traffic I was trying to join.

This is where I've lost the plot, as I do check for cyclists in that bike lane, there's also a zebra crossing just before you get to the top of the slipway and I check for people trying to cross that as it's often difficult for them. I go this way so often I recognise some of the pedestrians at that time and can tell if I'm early or later than usual! So then passing the zebra crossing to get to the junction I've already done one peripheral look around.

I then wait to see who will let me in as it's often so busy, when I got the wave I do another quick look and wave and move forward. But I've not got far to go, I'm moving into a gap that someone has given way for me in very slow moving traffic.

But clearly I've gone wrong somewhere as I just did not see that motorcyclist in that lane at all. He might have been in the traffic queue but if I'm honest that would just register as normal to me as stuck in traffic. It's a single lane over the motorway bridge going incredibly slowly so nobody has any real room for manoeuvre. As been said, I thought undertaking was illegal so if he was stopped there I wouldn't have expected him to try and drive though. Of course il be more aware next time.

My absolute horrible fear is that I could have looked and not seen therefore I could have run over a legitimate cyclist. That's one of things that's been stopping me getting back in the car. At the risk of being melodramatic you've got to be able to trust you own eyes haven't you?

Thanks for letting me get all this out! Despite the reassurances by the police that although he had done something very wrong, when it come to the law the second I crossed over I automatically will share the fault. How much that will cost me I don't know. I'm going to struggle with waiting 6 months! I've only got 3 days of drugs to calm down!
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Re: Car accident

Cars have blind spots. And you don't know what speed he was going. That is why it is called an accident. Good luck with your recovery.
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Re: Car accident

How is it a grey area? It's not allowed.
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Re: Car accident

Seems pretty clear to me that both of them were considered equally at fault; hence the 50-50 split.
The motorcyclist has presumably also received a similar fine, permit withdrawn, etc.

Just be glad that no-one was seriously hurt, the punishment would have been a lot worse.
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Re: Car accident

The one that needs to learn most from this is the motorcyclist.

He has been lucky to be given another chance and needs to seriously up his game if he wants to keep on biking.

Most motorcyclists will tell you that you need to drive with a 'b' and 'c' plan to every scenerio. Expect every car to want to hit you and still be able to react.

He compromised his safety bubble and it cost him.
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