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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Ah, but we have every intention of stopping to look at the view!
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

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Who knows? Maybe something changed in the two-plus years since litespeed made his post?

Just a thought...
the info he linked to have option to select current date, so what are you talking about?

people and their thoughts

i didn't open new thread because this one still contains valuable information, (For example working links to updated pages... )
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Stuck in northbound queue as I type, 2pm Saturday and been here since 12:30. My SatNav suggested Lichtenstein as an alternative route from Locarno to Frankfurt and I laughed... ha... perhaps I should have listened afterall.

I have a flight to catch too!
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Having read through the entire thread (nothing better to do!) I still don't understand the reason for delay. Two lanes merging to one for the tunnel? That's it?

Seeing as this thread is a bit old, anyone know if there have been plans to improve this situation longer term?
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Old 17.07.2010, 15:29
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

I came back from Locarno yesterday and after checking the EF andlistening to wise friends I opted to take a 1st class train in the "Panoramic" car.

Glad I did now as on the way back we saw the traffic queues as we swept majestically past
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Old 17.07.2010, 16:14
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

If you suspect there's a traffic jam before either side of the Gotthard (and there are signs above the autobahn pointing out the current status) take a side road and go over the Gotthard pass.

It really does take no more than 30 min. extra than going through the tunnel.
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Quick update from the weekend - Zurich/Zollikon to Cugnasco (between Bellinzone and Locarno)

Friday night: Left Zollikon 1810 - drove to Chur (collected MIL) - San Bernadino - Cugnasco - arrived 2100 - net time of around 2:40

Sunday night: Left Cugnasco 2010 - arrived Zollikon 2225 (after dropping a friend in Zurich) - net time of around 2:15

On the way back we went Via the Gottard - there wasn't a queue when we arrived at the entrance. If you can drive later you should be OK.

Our only hold up was on the Axenstrasse where some bloody aargau driver didn't know how to drive in the dark and rain - 50kmh!!!!! GGGGGRRRRR
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

We did indeed drive northbound over the St Gotthard, on the afternoon of Friday, July 30. There were significant traffic jams on the main road on both ends of the tunnel, but luckily we took the secondary road up the valley to Airolo. The people heading for the tunnel probably weren't having a good day! Traffic on the pass was heavy enough, though moving well.

Here's a picture showing the highway and railway tunnel entrances. It seems as if traffic is held up by some kind of barrier, then admitted to the tunnel at intervals--I hadn't known this.

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Old 08.08.2010, 18:57
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Here's a picture showing the highway and railway tunnel entrances. It seems as if traffic is held up by some kind of barrier, then admitted to the tunnel at intervals--I hadn't known this.
It's not a barrier. Just a traffic light. Thanks for the picy.
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Old 08.08.2010, 20:00
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Here's a picture showing the highway and railway tunnel entrances. It seems as if traffic is held up by some kind of barrier, then admitted to the tunnel at intervals--I hadn't known this.
I am pretty certain that the idea of the lights is to keep the queueing traffic outside the tunnel rather that have problems with stationary traffic in the tunnel
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I am pretty certain that the idea of the lights is to keep the queueing traffic outside the tunnel rather that have problems with stationary traffic in the tunnel
It is to prevent too much tailing for safety.
You will also notice:
(1) That the lorries are pulled off the motorway at laybyes on the ascent to the tunnel in Ticino and released by traffic light control to prevent large clusters of lorries together.
(2) At the entrance lorries will be seperated with cars between.

I believe these safety measures were put in after the tyre lorry burning in the tunnel a few years back. It seems to work as well.
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Hi,

I fully agree, this tunnel is a nightmare and even discourage me to go to Italy...

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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

We stay at a family friends hut in a village in the Ambri valley between Airolo & Faido sometimes, so know this area & the M'way queues well.

Top Tip for driving north from Milan/Bellinzona - Gottard:
The last Exit off the motorway before Airolo is Quinto & the jam usually starts just after this exit: i.e no escape.
If you Exit at Quinto, you can whizz along the Blue route 2 through Ambri, Piotta & rejoin the M'way at Airolo or carry on over the pass.
Seriously, just do it in future. It takes about 15/20 mins and will save you hours every time. If it's really bad or a known holiday, then exit even earlier at Faido or even Biasca - it really is worth it!
We were at the hut this weekend & the jam we saw on the m'way on Saturday was shocking - it was all the way down to the elvevated sections of m'way near Faido (about 15km)
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

The wife and I thought we'd take a drive Lucerne on Saturday. We made it to Faido when we hit a wall of stopped traffic....that's about 20km if you check it on a map. We sat there for awhile and when it started moving we bailed and went home.
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If you are driving around Switzerland on or before weekends and public/holidays, might be handy to check out the TCS Traffic Information (D/F/I only). Great for seeing where traffic jams, roadworks and pass closures are all on one site.

They have a very useful Crystal Ball (choose the day you are travelling, and it will cycle through the day and indicate where traffic jams are likely to be). Although, I could imagine it is just the same animation repeated, they might just change the dates ).
this crystal ball was working 3 weeks ago, but now it is not. can you help me finding the correct link on their page? i'm sure they didn't remove it, and it was extremely useful...

it was showing traffic at specific time in future... (at least prognosis, but it was pretty accurate in my case)
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

We drove last wednesday from Bern to Melide (near Lugano) via the Grimse, Fuka and St. Gotthard (I think) passes. All of the snow had been cleared off the road on the Grimsel, but there was a good bit of snow on the ground.

On the way back (Friday) we drove along the hundred valleys road to the simplon and then put the car on the train thru the Loetchberg to Kandersteg.

Traffic wasn't bad either way, but I gather the passes are more time consuming. Good if you like curvey roads. Also there's a lot of work along the Simplon pass... especially one of the tunnels, it's like driving in the dark through dust.

Probably not efficient from Zurich, but might work via Basel. Also, there is a train that goes directly through to Italy from Kandersteg, and I think you can just get on the highway to Milan from there. I was wondering if that's an option when the passes are closed.
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

I did the Gotthard Tunnel twice last week from Lugano to Luzern.

The Saturday morning; was reached the tunnel at 7:30am but realised I didn't have a Motorway Vinette so got off and went over the pass (very quick) and stopped at the post office in Andermatt and bought the Vinette and proceeded to Zurich.

On the way back on Saturday Night/Sunday Morning I made the mistake of following the signs to the gotthard from Zurich and ended up going through Schwyz which wa not motorway and was stuck behind slow Swiss regiestered cars scared of the dark I think.
Advice is follow the signs to Luzern and once at Luzern then follow the signs to the Gotthard to avoid that.

On Tuesday afternoon and reached the tunnel at 3:00pm I went to Zug (Via Luzern) and there was roughly a 20 minute tailback to the tunnel which I found acceptable.

On the way back again at about 1:30am in the morning it was clear BUT there was a lot of contra flow through the tunnels heading from Luzern to the Gotthard Tunnel for maintenance which again I found acceptable accept one Italian that was cruising at 60km per hour and often braking for no reason through these tunnels when it was marked at 80kms.

Be warned, the Gotthard tunnel is having maintenance work carried out over a few nights in October (signs warning of this are already there) and you will have to go over the pass.
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this crystal ball was working 3 weeks ago, but now it is not. can you help me finding the correct link on their page?
Try this one.
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this one doesn't have specific times, and in august i remember that you could select a date and you had 24 hour presentation which was very accurate in my case.

i'm travelling on saturday from zurich to genova and i need to be before 18:00 there, probably even 17.

you think i will make it if i leave at let's say 9:00 ? holidays are over after all...

it's strange they removed this crystal ball though, it was so useful unless i cannot find it somehow...
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Driving north via Gotthard in Summer on a Sunday evening

Hey!

I know delays are expected, but until what time usually? 11PM? 2AM? Maybe someone who drives this road frequently can help me out.

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