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Old 13.05.2013, 08:47
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

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Spent 3.5 hours on the queue today (16:30-20:00).
Never again!
Take the train ! No joke. There are frequent trains to Lugano and to Locarno, all via Arth-Goldau and Bellinzone. If you want a car, rent one in the Ticino, for example at Lugano Airport. Otherwise, your SBB ticket will allow you to use a lot of local transport to commute between places. Out of Chiasso train station you are in Milano Centrale in no time, amazingly usually on boards of SBB-FFS fast trains which in Chiasso become local Milano trains. And while Lugano is charming, Milano is great.
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There should be a VIP line, you know, where you pay maybe CHF 100 to avoid all the queues, I'm sure some would pay even more... No idea how they would do it logistically but I'm sure they'll figure it out.
There is.
It is a sticker of 40 CHF that you have to renew every year
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

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Take the train ! No joke. There are frequent trains to Lugano and to Locarno, all via Arth-Goldau and Bellinzone. If you want a car, rent one in the Ticino, for example at Lugano Airport. Otherwise, your SBB ticket will allow you to use a lot of local transport to commute between places. Out of Chiasso train station you are in Milano Centrale in no time, amazingly usually on boards of SBB-FFS fast trains which in Chiasso become local Milano trains. And while Lugano is charming, Milano is great.
Usually i am for the train, but When going to a holiday with wife and 3 kids the train could be really uncomfortable solution (and quite an expensive one)? But your suggested solution is certainly something to consider for next time. Thanks!
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Old 13.05.2013, 09:32
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

There is actually a car rental place at Lugano station now. It's been there for about a month, right next to Piccobello. I'd recommend booking before arriving though.

With regards to Gottardo capacity, it might be 92% unused but tell that to the people queuing for 14km every weekend in the summer. And also look at the inappropriate vehicles going up the pass and taking the A13 route too (St Bernardino).
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There is actually a car rental place at Lugano station now. It's been there for about a month, right next to Piccobello. I'd recommend booking before arriving though.

With regards to Gottardo capacity, it might be 92% unused but tell that to the people queuing for 14km every weekend in the summer. And also look at the inappropriate vehicles going up the pass and taking the A13 route too (St Bernardino).
Nevertheless a second tunnel would increase this unused percentage, something ,which, to my mind, borders on the absurd. If the tunnel is blocked for a few weekends by people who know what they are facing where's the problem?.

Everybody gets there and everybody gets back.
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

OK, the present tunnel needs to be closed for 2 years for maintenance. How do you feel about that?

Private and business transport is severely hampered at times.

Any accident in or near the tunnel is crippling and has a huge knock-on effect.

Frankly, I don't care as it does not affect me but I think a second tunnel is sensible. I'm on the correct side of the Alps I'm not seeing any clouds in that blue sky
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I'm on the correct side of the Alps
Likewise.

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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Take the train and renting a Mobility at Bellinzona or Lugano is the best idea, not to mention more relaxing. Coming back last night, the queues up to the Gottard were staggering and only to get worse as we get into summer.
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OK, the present tunnel needs to be closed for 2 years for maintenance. How do you feel about that?

Private and business transport is severely hampered at times.

Any accident in or near the tunnel is crippling and has a huge knock-on effect.

Frankly, I don't care as it does not affect me but I think a second tunnel is sensible. I'm on the correct side of the Alps I'm not seeing any clouds in that blue sky
A second tunnel (although sensible from a safety point of view I agree) will act as a magnet for ALL traffic coming from north of the tunnel. Your blue skies won't last very long once the way is made easy. It won't be just a second tunnel, it'll be the building of more roadway to cope with the bottlenecks no longer taking place at the tunnel entrances. Not to mention the need there'll be for houses, flats, factories, parking spaces and other infra-structures in Tessin once the way is paved with ease of access.

What we need are decisions now, harsh ones if need be, without bowing to Brussels. Maybe two years with a lifted Nachtfahrverbot would be the lesser of two evils - plus a ban on empty trucks - today's logistics should easily cope with such a challenge.
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Old 13.05.2013, 14:40
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A second tunnel (although sensible from a safety point of view I agree) will act as a magnet for ALL traffic coming from north of the tunnel. Your blue skies won't last very long once the way is made easy. It won't be just a second tunnel, it'll be the building of more roadway to cope with the bottlenecks no longer taking place at the tunnel entrances. Not to mention the need there'll be for houses, flats, factories, parking spaces and other infra-structures in Tessin once the way is paved with ease of access.

What we need are decisions now, harsh ones if need be, without bowing to Brussels. Maybe two years with a lifted Nachtfahrverbot would be the lesser of two evils - plus a ban on empty trucks - today's logistics should easily cope with such a challenge.
You're telling me the Gottardo is not a magnet for all traffic from the north? I bet you 500 Belgians, Dutch, Germans, Danish and more per hour that it is. But the A2 can cope, the country is filled with 2-lane highways, why would it need increasing? And there are the logistical issues of many many more tunnels as you head to another queue in Chiasso....

Let's not forget we're only 4 years away from rents and house prices going up around here when the train journey is cut by the tunnel.

This place is going to turn into a right dump, I tell you
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Wish I had read this in advance

Left Locarno at 21:30 last night (Sunday) thinking that would be late enough to avoid tunnel congestion. Arrived 03:30 in Zurich with all the delay at the Gotthard approach.
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Old 03.06.2013, 12:07
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Wish I had read this in advance

Left Locarno at 21:30 last night (Sunday) thinking that would be late enough to avoid tunnel congestion. Arrived 03:30 in Zurich with all the delay at the Gotthard approach.
Ummm, there is a reason that I'm taking a train to Zurich next Sunday rather than the car.

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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

There are several ways to drive to Italy, using Google maps, some examples from Basel to Milan


route ____ distance _ _time ____ notes


A2 ______ 341 Km __ 3hr:39 __ standard Gotthard route
A4, A2 ___ 357 Km __ 3hr:50 __ alternative Gotthard route
A3, A13 __ 424 Km __ 4hr:29 __ Saint Bernadino route
E27, A4 __ 483 Km __ 5hr:09 __ Grand St Bernhard route, Tunnel toll is for a car Fr 48 return

I prefer to drive an extra 90 minutes through beautiful country, on empty roads, through an empty tunnel and pay Fr 48 return for the Tunnel charge. On some Friday evenings I have been the only car in several hundred meters, it really is "Empty" and it really is up to you!

Saint Bernhard Tunnel http://www.letunnel.eu/tariffe.asp?id=37&l=3 there is also a road over the Grand St Bernhard pass, free of charge.

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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

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Wish I had read this in advance

Left Locarno at 21:30 last night (Sunday) thinking that would be late enough to avoid tunnel congestion. Arrived 03:30 in Zurich with all the delay at the Gotthard approach.
We did this trip yesterday too, left 3pm and arrived 9:30pm, including a 20-30min meal break on the north side of the tunnel. Did it mainly to see what the fuss was about, and the sat nav recommended it even with traffic! We had travelled south via the Chur route on and now we know, would never take the Gotthard route south again. Even just being in the tunnel is quite an unpleasant experience.
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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

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There are several ways to drive to Italy, using Google maps, some examples from Basel to Milan


route ____ distance _ _time ____ notes


A2 ______ 341 Km __ 3hr:39 __ standard Gotthard route
A4, A2 ___ 357 Km __ 3hr:50 __ alternative Gotthard route
A3, A13 __ 424 Km __ 4hr:29 __ Saint Bernadino route
E27, A4 __ 483 Km __ 5hr:09 __ Grand St Bernhard route, Tunnel toll is for a car Fr 48 return

I prefer to drive an extra 90 minutes through beautiful country, on empty roads, through an empty tunnel and pay Fr 48 return for the Tunnel charge. On some Friday evenings I have been the only car in several hundred meters, it really is "Empty" and it really is up to you!

Saint Bernhard Tunnel http://www.letunnel.eu/tariffe.asp?id=37&l=3 there is also a road over the Grand St Bernhard pass, free of charge.

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Sbrinz,

If I did the St Bernadino route, would this still be classed as a scenic route without ha ing to pay toll for the tunnel?

Furthermore, what address or postcode would I put on the satnav to go via this route? My Integrated car satnav is very un-user friendly and don't want to fiddle with the setting to avoid Gotthard. Therefore, would like to first arrive at the destination which avoids Gotthard and then punch the address for Lugano from there onwards.

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If I did the St Bernadino route, would this still be classed as a scenic route without ha ing to pay toll for the tunnel?
There is no toll for the St. Bernardino tunnel (assuming that you have a highway sticker).

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Re: Driving via Gotthard tunnel - never again!

Don't confuse the Grand-Saint-Bernard tunnel with San Bernardino or San Gottardo tunnels, it's a long way away and drops you into a completely different part of Italy: http://goo.gl/maps/EdUqj

If you're in the Romandie region then it might be worth using it.
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There is no toll for the St. Bernardino tunnel (assuming that you have a highway sticker).

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Are you referring to the 40 CHF Swiss motorway sticker?
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Are you referring to the 40 CHF Swiss motorway sticker?
Yes.

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Yes.

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Then why would anyone spend 48 CHF for a return trip via the tunnel when they can drive the whole of CH including the tunnel for 40 CHF?
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